Polygamy case
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- sofas0
Just read that among Bedouin men in Israel (but I assume it's widespread), the first marriage is arranged, and the consecutive ones are by choice, giving the first wife the lowest status according to the husband.
This is also a way for the man to deal with the gap between tradition and modernity.More fucked up facts (not that western relationships are that different) can be found here if you read Hebrew:
http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/da…
- Redmond0
Well what choice do these kids have. You can't rent anything at 13. No one can shelter you without risking prison. They have no papers, nothing.
- flashbender0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/…
June 14, 2005:Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available for older men, Utah officials claim.
Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families again or go to heaven.
- flashbender0
Details did an article about these fruitcakes more than 2 years ago. About the "Lost Boys of Arizona" or some shit like that. According to the article a fair number of them end up as hustlers in vegas and LA. What a great group pf people.
So all of you arguing religious this, and family values that... face it, it is about fat, old men fucking young girls and that's about all there is to it.
- Redmond0
"Critics of the sect say it arranges marriages for girls as young as 13 and that competition for brides may be reduced through exiling young men. But FLDS followers deny that abuse occurred at the ranch."
See, that sect already throws it's children in the trash anyway.
- no proof, just heresaydskz
- no proof of abuse, but the exiling of young men is documentedflashbender
- these are some fucked up familiesdskz
- DNA testing is underway. If its anything like the Jeffs case it will abundant.Mimio
- Redmond0
I'm glad they took their kids away. They threw away about a 100 of their own teenage boys a year with no social insurance number, no follow up, no papers, nothing. Boys as young as 13 year olds so the old men would have less competition for the young girls. I hope all those people rot in hell.
- tasty0
On to the Evangelic Christians! What a bunch of crazies.
25% of the US. Can swing any presidential race into their direction.
- dskz0
your right harleyquinn..... no offense taken.
I hope for the best for those kids. They better have some Nintendo Wiis wherever those kids are at... Im sure they will be blown away... or maybe they will grow up to reject the mainstream ways and try to nuke the country for taking them away from their family... WHO KNOWS
- harlequino0
sorry, dskz, didn't mean to suggest that you're "cool" with, was being faecetious. Just saying that religion and family structure isn't really the issue.
There are many increasingly diverse family structures which work just fine, sans the abuse and brainwashing. There are many exmaples of "it takes a village" that work great.- a·ce·tious Audio Help [fuh-see-shuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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- dskz0
The unibrow girl was kinda hot. Gotta wax them brows though.
- tasty0
it's kind of like a battered wife. She sticks around for some reason even though she keeps getting beat. But that doesn't make the abuse OK.
There are better parents for these kids out there...if they want them.
- harlequino0
so dskz...
Some 50 year old guy who fled the state when authorities showin up banging a bunch of underage girls and seeding the earth, and then leaving the scene to have his glassy eyed "wives" tend the flock...
you're cool with that?(*disclaimer: providing the evidence in court shows this)
- tasty0
Witches burn, and what else burns?
Wood!
Yes, and wood floats. What else floats?
... A duck?
Yes! So if this woman weighs as much as a duck, than she is a witch!
- dskz0
My problem is this...
They just took 400 kids away from their families who have this structure going... now what?
In other parts of the world kids are born into tribes that rely on pre-technology conditions... do we need to take them and show them what a great world we really live in?
I dont know I guess Im forgetting that these kids are being sexually abused... but is it abuse or is it just the way it is? Dont act like kids arent having sex at 11 years old nowadays...
anyways..i dont really want to defend the polygamists but i like to see both sides of the story before going on modern-day witchhunts.
- ismith0
Does marriage have to do with love in a legal sense, or rather joint tax returns and sharing of property?
- harlequino0
Why even haggle over the religious aspects or the "family" aspect? The question is whether or not these 400 minors have been sexually assaulted, abused, or in a dangerous environment.
- flashbender0
Give them Xbox 360s and the latest Grand Theft Auto. They'll all be fine in 3 months.
- ASL?tasty
- true...they can then turn their fear and anger into hit points.dskz
- and learn how the real world works.
I don't get the ASL? thing.flashbender
- tasty0
Hmm...
I would imagine some hate their familes but not all.
A far as what they want to do with theses kids: I imagine waning them off the "brainwash" with psychotherapy for both the parents and children gets a bit tricky.
Polygamy is an option within the Mormon religion. They are not forced to do it - but i think the children are born into it, it's like any religious practice....
I am born and raised catholic, but when i got old enough and got world experience many different opinions weigh in on my beliefs, and i'm pretty much athiest by now - although i dont proclaim it.
But that's the thing is i formed my own opinions which one would be uncapable of in a closed environment. So i dont quite have an answer - i just know these kids need to experience the world outside of what they have been handed.
- dskz0
ok thanks for enlightening me on some of these facts... I only saw the CNN piece...
but isnt it normal for Mormons to do these things? Dont they have a structure built around this mentality already?
What do they want to do with these kids? They are already messed up... what can they do to help by taking them from their families and bringin them much more pain?
Unless they hate their families... then they are free...
Im 28 and I wonder sometimes if I have an evolved understanding of love
- tasty0
dskz -
I'm sorry but a child doesn't have an evolved understanding of love at 15, and to be having children by then - when YOU are still just a child is fucked up.
There is a level of brain washing that takes place with all religions, but when people are unable to see or experience life outside of what they are ingrained with since they were born it takes on a cult-like nature.
There is an entire "underground railroad" for these girls that are trying to escape. So they could be out alone in a world they have no experience or put into foster care.
I think foster care is a better option.