Browser Wars

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  • set1

    Never thought I'd say it but I'm using Safari again, and it's great.
    I've used chrome for years, and safari used to lock my mac up, but on my new macbook on yosemite chrome drains the battery and makes the fan turn to jet engine setting. Safari works beautifully.

    • I landed on Safari as well. Occasionally pop open chrome for code inspector. Chrome's UI feels clunky after using Safari. Safari has so little chrome, it's nicejtb26
    • same here, just recently moved back and it's sooo fastmonospaced
    • it really is, I like it, and I agree about the UI.set
    • wish there was another alternative - chrome has gone downhill but really don't want to be forced to use another poor browser because of thatfadein11
    • Safari is and always has been shitfadein11
    • Yeah, Safari is great on osx, especially if you are using battery. Much more efficient, at least on my machine.nb
    • lol at Safari beeing shit. just shows how much you're biased man.ESKEMA
  • renderedred1

    new firefox picture in picture for videos is neat

  • i_monk0

    Firefox 75.0 now automatically opens links in tabs when right-clicked, no context menu. Didn't know I needed that.

    • How do you copy links then?section_014
    • I now suspect it's my tablet being wonky.i_monk
    • Hmm, mine doesn't? Not entirely happy with the new address bar functionality - it presumes a bit too much.
      "Didn't know I needed that"... .
      Nairn
    • (apparently they're already nixing a lot of Address Bar stuff in the nightly builds, but I don't really do that sort of thing any more)Nairn
    • Don't like this. I'd rather have the menudbloc
  • iCanHazQBN1

    What's with the 1st world bullshit comments. We can't talk about anything except war and poverty? This is a design forum. It's ok, don't be afraid... you can start a thread on web browsers.

    • Ya. Funny that we have first world problems, seeing as we live in the first world and all...set
    • that's also a first world problemMiguex
    • First world guilt.stoplying
  • transmission0

    i've often why all these companies put so much effort into get us to use their browser. Why is there even a war on browsers?
    Is the for the Data they collect? What monetary benefits is there for the guys to develop this stuff and give it way for free?

    • ...wonder why...

      shit a lot of errors up in this bitch
      transmission
    • Prestige. Nobody will pay for a browser, but everyone wants to be known for having the most popular browser.i_monk
    • Lulz. It's not prestige. Google, Apple, Microsoft do not want to rely a competitor's product to access the web.nb
    • If you hold web market share, you can shape the web towards your own technologies.nb
    • Just look at Flash. Apple got the mobile market, then used that market share to remove Adobe from dictating tech trends.nb
    • they only removed Flash from their own platform, nobody else had to do the samemonospaced
    • Yes, of course. The point I'm making is that when you have the market share, you can shift technologies in your direction.nb
    • Are you unaware of internet protocol standards? MS tried deviated from HTML and lost their browser majority for it.i_monk
    • Yes, MS is super bad it. Google is much better. They're not shifting away from HTML standards. Far more subtle.nb
    • Google knows how to stay popular and mainstream while at the same time maximizing profits through advertising and data ownership.nb
    • When Apple launched iOS they didn't even have a small piece of the market share.monospaced
  • nb0

    Safari on Mac, I use Ctrl-Tab key to toggle to the next tab within that window. It doesn't go through different windows. Ctrl-Shift-Tab goes to previous tab. Safari 7, OSX 10.9.

    Used along with Cmd T, Cmd W and Cmd L, it makes for very fast browsing with lots of tabs.

    • These are the same controls as Firefox.i_monk
    • I would hope it is standard across browsers, it works so well.nb
    • If I'm in the left most tab and I want to get to the 20th tab I have to hit Ctrl-Tab 20 times???iCanHazQBN
    • Not very intuitive. The tabs should be exposed and a left-right scroll should be implemented. Like how Tor functions.iCanHazQBN
    • Well, you could go back a tab. If you have 40 tabs and want to go to the 20th you could use your mouse. Geez.nb
    • You can also use Ctrl+(the number of the tab you want to jump to) if your in hurry.voiceof
    • Clarification: you can go to Ctrl+8 after that Ctrl+9 takes you to the last tab.voiceof
  • nb0

    Youtube (or any video) will never replace the animated gif.

    The animated gif stays around because it offers an experience that can't seem to be matched by video.

    What year is it that we need to accept that a browser can't display a few images?

    • lol experience? like what?CygnusZero4
    • The nature of the animated gif (silent, looping, can't skip to different time, reduced frame rate & bit depth) often ends up funnier, cuter, or more clever than a video.nb
    • ... funnier, cuter, or more clever than a video. If video could imitate the gif perfectly, the gif would naturally fade away. It hasn't.nb
    • hasn't.nb
    • youtube has ads, and that is an experience I hatemonospaced
    • you can block adds with an extension. problem solved. what's the next question?Miguex
    • oh yeah, theres a place for both, gufs and video because clearly they are not the same thing.Miguex
    • I can stop ads from playing before the video starts? I did not know that.monospaced
    • Yes, but even the best adblockers occasionally let some ads through. Ads aside, videos are not gifs!nb
  • CygnusZero40

    What year is it where we need to post 15 GIFs on a page? I mean really the 90s are over guys. Post youtube videos. We shouldnt need to even worry about the fact that chrome has a problem with a ton of gifs on a page because a ton of gifs on a page shouldnt be happening anyway.

    • I dont even view that thread anymore because its out of control with those clowns in there.CygnusZero4
    • Im not switching browsers for one thread. I like Chrome.CygnusZero4
    • You seem angry. We have an entire thread of animated gifs, you should expect them here.i_monk
    • your damn right im mad!CygnusZero4
    • I like gifsmonospaced
    • don't get angry at the world because your browser is not capable of handling a moving image.Miguex
  • Hayoth-1

    our web developer is out of the country and we have a client that is having a "Unicode" issue with a google font on a chrome browser on PC.

    Know any fixes for this or what the actual issue is? is it a unicode issue
    https://imgur.com/a/F89pEjK

    • look at the source code. (highlight text, right click Inspect)...could be some non-standard character in the text from copy paste from word or so.uan
    • ^thishans_glib
    • open in text edit > convert to plain text > past back into website. This usually happens when we copy paste from a word doc or another program.dbloc
    • Thanks guysHayoth
    • This will help you find the unicode characters.
      https://www.textmagi…
      dbloc
  • Akagiyama1

    First, I dial up with:

    Then, I slide around the interweb tubes with:

    • +1meffid
    • Maybe some Trade Wars 2002, anyone? Pimnpwars? LORD? Maybe The Pit or Global War?ETM
  • CyBrainX0

    1996 - 1998: Netscape
    1998 - 2001: Internet Explorer
    2001 - 2004: Safari
    2004 - 2010: Firefox
    2010 - 2015: Chrome
    Monday: back to Firefox. The Web Developer Add stopped working. I don't like how activity monitor shows about 25 Chrome Helpers in the memory list. I don't like how piggish and whorish it's been lately.

    • Safari is ok but seems limited in add-ons.CyBrainX
    • Safari is the new IE6ETM
    • ^ yep Safari is poor... and god knows how bad it was in 2001...fadein11
  • meatball1

    Went back to chrome, the Recently Visited & Recently Closed functionality is something I use a lot and it's so much better on Chrome - Safari never seems to show what I had open.

    • Firefox has this too.i_monk
    • Interesting. Safari has "Reopen Last Closed Window" and "Reopen All Windows From Last Session". And of course History. Is Chrome/FF better at it?nb
    • I don't use Safari so can't compare.i_monk
  • utopian1

    I tried Chrome for 5 minutes and went back to Safari

  • nb0

    The point I'd like to make is that if you control market share, you can shift technology towards what benefits your own company.

    Maybe Flash is a bad example.

    How about this one... Let's assume that Google thinks Gmail/Inbox is a valuable asset. In order to keep people using it, gmail needs to be a decent user experience. Having your own browser means that you aren't relying as much on other companies' technologies to deliver a good user experience.

    It's the same reason Apple makes Maps for iPhone. Google Maps works fine, but Apple doesn't want to rely on Google's technology. If Google Maps starts to lag behind as the best map (or Google decides to limit it or drop support for iOS or any other unlikely but possible scenario) Apple could lose lots of sales of iPhones while people complain about the map service. So, they make their own Maps app so that they aren't depending on the technology of others.

    Also, don't forget that data is valuable, and the more data you can scrape, the more valuable your company looks. Notice how in recent versions of Chrome you can Log In to Chrome? This is great for tracking your usage patterns (especially across devices) and that data is super valuable to lots of different organizations. Google couldn't offer that without offering their own browser. So, the better they make their browser, the more people use it, and they get more logins and better data to sell. Of course, not everyone needs to log in. They get a lot more data from people just using Chrome than the data they can get when people use other browsers.

    • Trying to put walls up around internet standards is what cost MS/Internet Explorer the lead.i_monk
    • Yep, they know better than to put up walls. But they do want to get that market share!nb
    • Incognito mode is for the same reason. Less cache clearing = longer lived tracking cookies.monNom
  • npduggins0

    I tried Safari again after a while with Chrome but found it really annoying as when you hit CMD + T in Chrome you can start your search straight off in the URL / search window. In Safari you have to manually click in which is no where near as easy!

    • weird, it doesn't do that heremonospaced
    • Yeah, mine goes straight into the Address/Search Bar. Maybe because I have my "new tab" pref set to "Blank Page"?nb
    • oh nice! working now :)
      npduggins
  • i_monk0
    • Didn't know that, still...meh, I prefer the Chrome UI. Just not its faultssem
    • lolscarabin
    • LOLmoldero
  • dbloc2

    I tried chrome for 2 weeks and went back to FF

  • ernexbcn0

    Apple didn't remove Flash, Adobe couldn't provide a proper plugin for it. If they could we would have a decent Flash plugin for Android, guess what, it doesn't exists.

    • Apple didn't allow it, pretty much the same thing as banning itformed
    • Apple allows Flash.monospaced
  • meffid1

    Safari. It does what I need, I don't use more than 2 tabs at a time, and I fucking hate Chrome and all things Google because of it's ad-tracking and intrusive horse shit.

  • iCanHazQBN0

    All browsers currently suck, and I don't know why they can't fix these obvious issues.

    I hate how Chrome tabs get smaller and smaller the more you have open, until you can't see what tabs they are and you're forced to click through each one just so you can see what it is.

    Safari is worse. Loooong stretched out tabs, and if you have a lot of them open it created a dropdown menu to the right.

    Dammit, just have tabs all the same size and allow people to flick left and right. Works nicely with a Magic Mouse. Not sure about other mice. You'd think Safari would do this.

    • Ctrl-tab goes to next tab. Ctrl-shift-tab goes to previous tab.nb
    • I don't understand. Do you mean Command? All this does is open previous tabs... like a History function.iCanHazQBN
    • LOL. i just upgraded to new Safari. They added a left-right scroll function. Someone was listening! :)iCanHazQBN