Self Defense VS Law and Justice
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- Ben99
Serious questine here.
I don't know the Laws in the USA and Canada about this...
If i'm a martial artist that know technics that can seriously injure or kill someone. If someone attack me and i defend myself and kill or seriously injure the attacker, can i get in trouble with the Justice? Like being accused of second degree murder or something like this. I know the Justice system are very different in Canada and USA. I think i should ask this to competent authorities in Canada. I'm really curious to know.
- monospaced0
Law in the US can protect you from a murder charge based on self-defense. There are even many states that have specific laws that protect the defender more than others. I have also heard of cases where the self-defense claim doesn't hold up. If you kill someone in defense with your tiger upper-cut, then I'd say get a damn good lawyer.
- Prob this guy has more rights using a gun then his hands for self defense?yurimon
- probablymonospaced
- locustsloth0
Without looking it up or knowing for sure, i've heard martial arts professionals say that if it's clearly as a last resort, (ie, you've tried to diffuse the situation, you've attempted to leave the situation and/or cannot leave the situation) then you are in the clear. But that's assuming you didn't start the trouble and there are witnesses who will give statements that you didn't start it and tried to avoid it.
i think once you deviate from the last resort status, i would imagine it is a sliding scale as to what the perceived and actual threat was, who was at fault, etc. The more it looks like you are some asshole who wanted to karate chop someone to death, the less kind the law will be to you- The fact that you are asking this question raises doubts as to whether you are blameless in any given situation. In fact, it could be used as evidence to provelocustsloth
- you planned a confrontationlocustsloth
- bulletfactory0
This was also the premise of the movie Con-Air.
- mg332
We had a guy in my high school who was a third-degree black belt or something, and people LOVED to tell other people "Josh is a third-degree black belt, he's registered with the police because technically he's a lethal weapon.
I never even learned if that was true or not, but it was hilarious how proud people were to say that. "he's a lethal weapon!" all the time.
- Ben990
@locustsloth
I dont plan anything, lol
I'm a pacific guy.It's just, i start learning kung-fu self-defense 2 years ago (2 years in november) And the technics we're learning are very heavy, like dislocating shoulders, destroying throat, eyes and shit like that.
If i ever get into trouble for X reason, i will for sure try to avoid the confrontation, thats the first thing we've learned. But if i ever have to fight someone, i dont want to get in trouble because i know technics that could be fatal.
- just stick with the shoulder dislocating then, mmmkay?monospaced
- i'm more Mediterranean, but if I had to choose between Pacific and Atlantic, I'd go pacific, too.Gnash
- loll GnashBen99
- in this case, pacific was the right word for a pacifistmonospaced
- lol @ allsureshot
- you're right, of course, mono.Gnash
- pacific is the new "fight like no one"garbage
- Go get em
http://ecx.images-am…Peter
- Ben990
A solid punch can lead to a fatal fall... the head hitting the concrete can be fatal. Involontary murder...
A roundhouse kick in the rib cage can lead to internal bleeding and dead...
- sarahfailin0
There are a bunch of states that have "Stand Your Ground" laws and others that have "Duty to Retreat" laws. Stand your ground means you don't have to run away, and you can utilize lethal force in some places without consequence. Duty to retreat means the opposite, and that if you happen to kill or hurt somebody, you have to prove you had no other choice. Go to any orange state and HAVE FUN! :)- i wonder in Canada whats the plan...Ben99
- Canada's law is: Always Retreat and Say Sorry Profusely.iCanHazQBN
- funny becuz true lolBen99
- CALLES1
sounds like you need to kick someones ass and cover it up!
I LIKE IT!!!
- Maaku0
Your sensei should kick your ass for considering using your kung-fu to harm someone.
- And then your ass for encouraging his sensei to use violence.
...and then my ass.sarahfailin - its called a sifu in kung fu.dirtydesign
- yes SifuBen99
- just call them teacher! it's not like you speak that language anyway. it sounds soooooo very cheesy.pango
- And then your ass for encouraging his sensei to use violence.
- Ben990
I dont consider harming anyone Maaku.
Its just i'm learning stuff that could hurt people. I dont think i will ever get into a fight, i'm pacifist and runs from trouble since i'm a kid. BUT who knows what could happen, its just that i know technics harmful.
- i've been training and living in nyc for a long time. never had to use it. no question that i would if i had to.
that is why you put the time in afterall.dirtydesign - and you're not afraid of seriously hurting someone if you ever get into a confrontation?Ben99
- are you fishing for people to come out and say you are a deadly weapon, Ben, and that your abilities make you dangerous by default?monospaced
- not at all... wow i see i dont express myself correctly here.Ben99
- You have the answer and keep pointing out that you're worried you may kill someone. That can't really be a concern!monospaced
- i've been training and living in nyc for a long time. never had to use it. no question that i would if i had to.
- monNom0
I think most jurisdictions consider martial arts training as equivalent to assault with a weapon. You need to warn your attacker that you are trained.
- What if you don't have time to tell him or are in a loud place?iCanHazQBN
- That's why it works better in America. You just pull out your gun and end his life right away. Problems over!iCanHazQBN
- gilgamush0
kung fu is good for conditioning, reflexes, confidence and looking flashy but unless you spar, the techniques themselves are useless in a street fight. and seeing as how nobody is going to let you pull their arm off or punch them in the throat it's kind of a moot point. that's why i like bjj so much, it's pretty much all sparring so you know how it feels to jump on somebody and pull their limbs off. otherwise, you try to throw some fancy throat punch while getting swung on and wake up on the floor. not too practical in real conflicts
- Right? How fun would a bj be without hairpulling and a few smacks here and there.Peter
- Pansymonospaced
- Only pansies talk about street fights like this on the Internet. Fact.monospaced
- Also what's the point of martial arts if you can't pull off some arms? That happens all the time.monospaced
- lol, ok mono.. go to a brazilian jujitsu academy and get back to me. until then remove the hair across your ass and don't interrupt while the men are talkinggilgamush
- *jiujitsugilgamush
- You made my point. You have a sword don't you. I bet it's on s little stand too. Probably more than one.monospaced
- Guys who talk about martial arts in street fights on the Internet are usually pansies with Asian sword collections. Do you have a lizard or snake too?monospaced
- Nothing better than an urban white ninja with reptiles and knowledge of street fighting. Oh. And swords. Does your Honda have mods? I bet it does.monospaced
- Aesthetic performance mods on accords make the honeys wet. Especially with nun chuck skills, and sparring skills, and a boa.monospaced
- Mono, just because you feel small when people talk about manly shit doesn't mean you have to hide behind your computer screen and mouth off like a childgilgamush
- That's all you're doing. If I post mma vids and call people pansies can I convince them I'm manly like you? You don't know me.monospaced
- I can talk about sparring and jiu jitsu and shit too. I still think you're an insecure scrawny grommet and you can't change that.monospaced
- somebody give this buttfrustrated nerd a box of tissues. go have a tantrum in some other thread, don't interrupt when the men are talkinggilgamush
- sorry, wasn't aware that was happeningmonospaced
- I accept your apologygilgamush
- <this statement is hilariousdirtydesign
- yuekit2
Based on what I learned watching action movies, at some point the police chief will pull you aside and tell you you're out of control. But aside from that you can basically cause as much mayhem and destruction as you want, death, car crashes, etc, as long as it's for a good cause.
- cbass990
see this movie..it's messed up.
"Felon"
A family man convicted of killing an intruder must cope with life afterward in the violent penal system.
- Ben990
@gilgamush
it's true about sparring.
I'm learning Kung Fu but more precisely Wing Chun wich is a form of self-defense utilising both striking and grappling while specialising in close-range combat, and further precisely, the system i'm learning is a mix of Wing Chun with some BJJ and Sanshou (just a bit) and added to those, other self-defense technics.
The school i go to is teaching us how to defend ourselves in an extreme scenario where our lifes would be in danger. First rule is to escape the situation if possible to avoid the confrontation.We do some grappling, but I'm only blue sash, i'll do more grappling when i'll be green and brown sash.
- *we do some sparringBen99
- nice, win chin is great stuff, rolling hands is kinda like sparring in it's own way. sounds like good practical stuff. never heard of sanshou, im'a look into itgilgamush
- *chungilgamush
- sticky hands is actually not sparring at all, its pressure/touch awareness. range practice.dirtydesign
- What are you mono's second account. Gonna respond to every post of mine being contradictory. Get a fucking life pal, reread my post you contrary cuntgilgamush
- fucking lolmonospaced
- gilgamush0
heres one for mono. turn your volume up when you watch it
another one you might find illuminating
aoki is a bad mother fucker, watch this whole one
it's a shame the poor sportsmanship after the fact cost him his career, dude was a monster. he had an exhibition match with fedor which was pretty funny
anyways, yes, arms get pulled off occasionally when juijitsu is involved
- romkee vs crowell skip to 5:24 for bicep cutter
benchora vs fontaine skip to 1:56 for flying armbargilgamush - Pansies. Why are you showing me this you weirdo? So gheymonospaced
- Are you really that sensitive you had to show me guys touching each other rough in domination? Get over yourself.monospaced
- You're such a big strong man with your sparring knowledge and mma collection. Lolmonospaced
- yes that is nice, tell me more about how gay martial artists are. your gentrified dicklessness is showing monogilgamush
- Lol. You are way too easy. Showing your manly words I see. youre just a little chump who's all talk. You can't prove me wrong.monospaced
- Just like you can't prove your misconceptions about me.monospaced
- the way you throw little tantrums over me says it allgilgamush
- 'Twas the other way around my friend. Lolmonospaced
- Uum, no. You had a little tantrum out of the blue. We're you drunk last night or somethinggilgamush
- no, just fuckin with you and your tough guy fake-ass persona that you use on qbnmonospaced
- Sure, and this dickless nerd persona of yours is just an internet persona too rightgilgamush
- dickless? that's just something you made up because you can't think of anything that actually is relevant to my posts, nice 3rd grade insultmonospaced
- Reread your posts from last night in this thread. You sound pretty dicklessgilgamush
- reread your comment here and tell me it makes sense, because it doesn't... lol, what a hypocrite... you're the one throwing hte tantrums!monospaced
- There is all sorts of ugly personal shit I could say about you but I don't because you are a stupid child who will spin out of control. In contrast, you know nogilgamush
- Thing about me and try desperately to make it personal and fail. Grow upgilgamush
- So, you do have a sword collection and a lizard. Cool.monospaced
- cool, maybe i should email a link of this page to kelly. how would she feel about your dickless antics. can't imagine what a halfway decent girl like her findsgilgamush
- your amorphous androgynous looking self attractive so clearly she is into girly men but still, i doubt she would approvegilgamush
- I was joking, and you're the only one who's getting personal here. Also, what the fuck?monospaced
- lol, yea, it's all a big joke right. get off my nuts kidgilgamush
- Ya. What the fuck. What happens in Qbn stay in Qbn man. You don't go and email people they know. Now who's Tantrum throwing dick?pango
- You 2 can trash talk all you want. But tracking down who the person knows, that's just some creepy fucked up shit.pango
- Not condescending here. Dude you seriously got a problem. I'm no expert, so go see a doctor.pango
- How could you not know I was joking? Everything I said was drenched in sarcasm and satire, down to the swords and lizard thing. Holy shit you are creepy.monospaced
- boo hoo, now that i have stooped to your level you go and play the victim. i'm sure you are quite pleased with yourself. but really though, how would she feel agilgamush
- about your behaviorgilgamush
- thanks for your concern pango, i'll be just fine. he posted his wedding invitations on here, i didn't have to track down anyonegilgamush
- stoop to my level!?!? you went all psycho and looked up my fiance's name and started insulting me personally! I did nothing like thatmonospaced
- I didn't post my wedding invite here either!monospaced
- yes you did, and you would if you could, i haven't given you any means to do so so you are stabbing in the dark. well the jokes on you dipshitgilgamush
- I would never post my wedding invites on qbn, especially not with our full names. And no, I would not go looking you up to insult you online.monospaced
- You obviously found my name and started searchign around, which is creepy as fuck, and you pretty much broke a cardinal rule of QBN by using real names.monospaced
- ya it's not on the same level. it's a new low.pango
- just curious. and you don't even have to answer me. have you had a brush with law because of your temper?pango
- me? of course notmonospaced
- not you, but thanks for the answer.pango
- nope, i have been in trouble plenty with the law when i was a kid but nothing violent in nature. and shut the fuck up ben, your'e name was on your profile pagegilgamush
- until you started talking a ton of shit and took it down out of shamegilgamush
- and thanks pango for giving me the option to not answer your question, very generous of yougilgamush
- dipshitgilgamush
- First of all, my real name has never been in my profile. Second, I never posted my invites here. Therefore, you're a fucking creepmonospaced
- https://www.youtube.…
i really don't care, it took me 5 minutes to find out all about you and the missus, far less time then you spendgilgamush - calling me names and trying to find a button to push. you are a loser. just shut upgilgamush
- You are welcome. ;)pango
- "you are a loser. just shut up."
Taking the Trump road I see. Thanks for admitting you did research on me after lying about how you got the info, twice.monospaced - i looked it up last time time you went off on me for no apparent reason. forgot the details because you don't matter. and yes, you did post your invitegilgamush
- oh that's right, you were talking to me about embossing dies in one of your less petulant moods and posted it upgilgamush
- so from our first names reversed on a die and no more info you managed to get a sense of how we look? pleasemonospaced
- i told you that i looked you up, it's not a big mystery. you are buttfrustrated that you know nothing about me aren't you. jokes on yougilgamush
- I'm not frustrated that I know nothing about you. I don't want to know anything, that was the point of my joke. THe fact you looked me up is creepy though.monospaced
- you spent all last night calling me names and saying everything you could think of trying to upset me to little avail. and in 5 minutes i could rock your littlegilgamush
- world with one goge search and email. hop off my nut sack you sniveling patsygilgamush
- actually, I spent 2 minutes because I thought your posts were ridiculous and that you would get the jokemonospaced
- your little tantrum was a joke, i was laughing. so whats wrong, show kelley how funny you are on here, or should igilgamush
- Ya you are a tough guy we get it. Uggggggghh.
You might as well go tell mono's mom about it.pango - So much for decade of tough guy training. "I'm gonna tell on you to your wife!"pango
- Ya dumb blonde, can't you tell mono and I are just having a laugh. It's so funny right. Ha ha. Hagilgamush
- we never should have opened registration againmonospaced
- Hahaha ya so funny
http://gifrific.com/…pango - or you can not be an but hurt clown and express your grievance with me like a man instead of having tantrums. i know that is a lot to askgilgamush
- look, making a few jokes about things you may have in your home and your tough guy lifestyle is not a tantrum... replying like you have is thoughmonospaced
- you don't know anything about me or my lifestyle, you are just a clown trying to get a rise out of me, and oh boy, it finally worked, once again, how would kellgilgamush
- kelly feel about the unbecoming way you conduct yourself on here. we both know she would be horrified at what kind of dickless instigator you are when you are hgilgamush
- hiding behind your monitorgilgamush
- she would be truly shocked, maybe she deserves to know before it's too lategilgamush
- Uggggggghh just go tell monos mom already.pango
- Or whoever. You're all talk. Tough guy. Seriously you are just doing the blow fish right now.pango
- Kept saying things like "when men are talking" or blow up easily when people disagree with you and corrects you. And talks about people's hair.pango
- Seriously insecurity problem man.pango
- Ugggghpango
- https://www.youtube.…
calm down blondie, everything is going to be finegilgamush - You talk about hair more than girls...
:/pango - the guy who dies his hair is insinuating what exactly. haha you are very judgey today pangogilgamush
- That I like to try different things? Seriously I had so many different colour on my hair. Blonde is the least out of the ordinary.pango
- Not judgy. More like painfully observant. What you care about people dying their hair or what you have against blond hair colour anyway?pango
- Plus about your previous comment regarding hiding behind a computer. Both me and mono hide less of our self compare to you. Nobody know your name or look like.pango
- I don't give two shits what you do with your hair pango. If you are gonna bandwagon me on some half witted instigator shit I am gonna call you blondie, get yourgilgamush
- Feelings in check. As far as hiding, I am as real as it gets. I am not here to socially or proffesionally network so I have no need to give you a face and namegilgamush
- Not calling you fake. Just pointing out the irony of you implying people hiding behind a computer. Oh my feelings are fine. I was trying to get you to saypango
- Something stupid but you didn't bite :/
I know you are not here to make friend. You are here to win!pango - Correct. And that's the problem with mono, and you to a lesser extent. You idiots think you are so manipulative playing all these little games trying to set litgilgamush
- Little traps, neither of you are particularly clever though. It comes of as playing stupid and just plain childishness. Be real and handle your shit or shut thegilgamush
- Ever loving fuck up. The little nerd circle jerk routine doesn't phase megilgamush
- Can't speak for him. but hey if i'm really trying to be manipulative. i wouldn't have told you. i just don't get as worked up as you. and oh man shit you saypango
- just really invites people to the party.pango
- ok truth time. we're both ass holes. i'm just more self aware than you. and don't get as worked up when called out or corrected by other people.pango
- You two are doing your best to instigate a confrontation, you got what you were looking for after getting clowned on and coming back for more, don't cry about igilgamush
- It now. You were begging for me to get ugly and I obliged. Step off my nuts, neither of you are my peergilgamush
- For the record though, I give you your props for admitting you are playing a game trying to fuck with me. give that shit a rest though, it's a pussy maneuvergilgamush
- If you call playing pussy games being self aware then you have got it all the way fucked up, be a man pango, cut the shitgilgamush
- https://www.youtube.…
well... i AM being a man no matter what i do :/pango - Can't help it. physically impossible.pango
- i'll cut the shit as soon as you grow up. and accepting people will have different opinion. and not get worked up when people trying to correct you. they maybepango
- but no need to call anyone shit. unless they call you shit then it's game on. but under no circumstance should you go snoop around other people's personal lifepango
- and threaten to act like a kindergardener to tell on them. that is low. and it will always attract people like me to mess with you.pango
- take your own advise man.
https://www.youtube.…pango - dry your eyes pango, you want to talk shit to me for two days straight and i will dox your dumb ass up as well. if your opinion is that you can talk a mountaingilgamush
- They maybe *wrong.
a word was missing :(pango - thanks. i know my words are so inspiring. it makes me cry too ;(
woooooo is that a threat?pango - of shit to me and you think i won't get the better of you, well, then the jokes on yougilgamush
- no threat, just what happens when you troll somebody and they get sick of your shit after treating you very reasonablygilgamush
- ok so this is how all this shit is gonna end.
https://i.imgflip.co…
my money is on "your mom"pango - well fine. i'll apologize that i should have told you what's wrong with you instead of playing on it. but... nahhh... you would just get pissed and end up atpango
- the same place we are at right now. talking shit and staring at each other... •___•pango
- Let's end it right now before this shit gets to a hundred. In the future i urge you to not encourage mono's kid shit though, you aren't doing him any favorsgilgamush
- 1OOSFA!
wait. I did tell you what's wrong with you from the beginning. Not sure if you noticed. I participated only after the email threat.pango - ya i'm find ending it. it is getting wayyyy too long. Just remember people will always have different opinions. don't get worked up. if mono's being a dick.pango
- just let him know he's a dick and no need to explain further. i'm sure he will agree he's dick some times. for whatever purpose.pango
- "...i will dox your dumb ass up as well." you really area psycho, aren't you? I hope you didn't do anything already like you're threatening heremonospaced
- I am convinced, beyond a doubt, that you you do in fact have a lizard and a sword in your bedroom, and an equally impressive collection of MMA knowledgemonospaced
- If my saying that actually gets a rise out of you, that says mountains more about you than it does about me.monospaced
- nobody cares what you think mono, you have contributed nothing in this thread. keep running off your childish mouth and i will shoot her an email, it's very simgilgamush
- simple, say one more stupid ass thing to me in this thread and consider it donegilgamush
- romkee vs crowell skip to 5:24 for bicep cutter
- utopian0
- having the reach advantage is worth a lot for the stand up bit. it's worth just as much on the ground for leverage and limb control thoughgilgamush
- such an export! :Dpango
- been practicing for over a decadegilgamush
- http://gifrific.com/…pango
- https://www.youtube.…gilgamush
- so cool!pango
- He's right guys. The reach is what makes this possible. It's great for limb control on the ground. So badass the reaches and limb control.monospaced
- Nice to see that you are done crying. Next you should cease to following me around blathering nonsence at me. Baby steps monogilgamush
- reach advantage is good in any martial art you turd burglardirtydesign
- Yes, yes it is. Are you upset about somethinggilgamush
- lol, crying? i was taking hte piss out on you and you started bitching, it's hilariousmonospaced
- I agree that it is funny when you turn your impotent butthurtness on me but you should probably try to save some face now and shut the fuck upgilgamush
- the only person butthurt here is you, I'm not the one claiming to be some kind of manly fighting expertmonospaced
- Hey look! Georges' new emoji!
d:)pango - Just stop mono, you are embarrassing yourselfgilgamush
- i'm not upset about anything. you're making false claims so i'm just trying to clarify the topic in addition to some light hearted name calling.dirtydesign
- Readding comprehension isn't your strong suit is it. Go back and reread what I said about wing chun and sparring. But no, you just want to be contrarygilgamush
- *readinggilgamush
- the broad comments you make about kung fu below are false. you're either a troll or uneducated.dirtydesign
- oh shut up, i said if you don't spar you aren't ready for a real self defense environment. and most kung fu is light on sparring. contradict that, you fuck. ifgilgamush
- if you had reading comprehension skills you would have understood that the first time i said itgilgamush
- None of your style or technique can defeat the legendary dragon twister http://youtu.be/W3iP…pango
- https://www.youtube.…gilgamush
- OBBTKN0
@Ben: looking at your biking skills, i recommend you to use it as a weapon... the most dangerous i've seen in a while
