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- instrmntl0
Thats insane. Stay safe Beeswax.
- Bennn0
Also today, it has been officially stated that there's no proofs of the implication of the Saudis in the 9/11 attack.... victims families were in court on this since years and classified documents has been released today...
What a week!
- Also US gave permission for UN troops to intervene in other nations.yurimon
- _niko0
How can this be a coup attempt by an Islamic leader when the army is traditionally staunchly secular?
- yep I was wondering the same.fadein11
- the military coup is meant to topple the leader. military = secular, Erdogan = Islamic leaderHijoDMaite
- ^ nope you are missing the point - the coup was supposedly led by a religious faction of the army (which yes was thought to be secular)fadein11
- Reporter forced to make a statement on behalf of military coup also said they want to restore constitutional order. Really strange sequence of events.IRNlun6
- Thats because the religious faction is moderate and not radical.yurimon
- shaft-2
- ernexbcn0
Death toll is at 265 now. Almost 3 thousand people detained.
- Gnash0
"Turkish PM: Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey"
http://www.reuters.com/article/u…
I wonder if Erdogan thinks that Gulen living in the Poconos means that the usa is standing with him
- Turkey shut down the biggest US base in Turkey for a couple of hours.Obama is meeting with security council. There will prolly be talks about sending Gulen backBeeswax
- crazy times. erdogan will take full advantage - hope things don't get too much worse.Gnash
- hope you and your family are wellGnash
- I hope President Obama is doing his best to secure US nukes based in Turkey. Very inflammatory statement knowing he lives in the US.IRNlun6
- ^ exactly, IRN.Gnash
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Theatre
Staged for power consolidation
- detritus0
Eish.. beheadings on the bridge over the Bosphorus and some nasty footage of people vs. tanks on LiveLeak. i hope for his own soul and conscience that Erdogan wasn't behind this.
The whole affair seems remakably underconsidered and ineffectual otherwise though - what were they thinking?
- GeorgesII-1
holy shit, don't let him get the fuckn nukes!!
- Longcopylover0
I always thought I was quite good in understanding what is going on in world politics. But I think I just don't get it anymore. I start being indifferent. There's just too much shit going on to follow. And the worth thing is, I am asking myself whether it Is it still worth to bring children into this kind of fucked up world.
I feel sad.- *worst thingLongcopylover
- take a crash course off yurigeorges. if he/they are still around.fadein11
- Hey ORAZALeryx
- I'm not Orazal. Are you yuri?Longcopylover
- Sorry if your not but you were certified by a guy with like 100 accounts. It can make one doubt of your identity.eryx
- i'm not having kids! join the new wavesarahfailin
- I was certified by isleptwithsirenstoni... I don't know whether this is ORAZAL. I just don't care either. I think we are done with this who is who troll shit.Longcopylover
- Gnash0
"Erdogan gave signals that Turkey might reinstate capital punishment in the wake of Friday's failed attempted coup"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tur…
- sarahfailin1
http://www.reuters.com/article/u…
At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.
- HijoDMaite0
This is my friend from Canada living in Ankara, that was sending out updates.
- HijoDMaite0
Also,
"COUP D'ÉTAT...."
Ahhh, feels good to say the entire phrase. Make America say the full phrase again.
- putsch!sarahfailin
- Wow!! Turkey is returning to Islamic state and it has Hydrogen bomb stockpile!! Not good news for Europe at all. We have problems in USA but not like this.robotron3k
- ^tf are you talking about?sarahfailin
- Beeswax1
I don't believe Erdogan did this anymore. He may already know about it and was prepared but it wasn't him who planned.
I do think it was connected to Gulen movement and ultimately Gulen is connected to a CIA/USA/Israel centered Global Gang. But the planned coup was destined to fail.
Main organizers wanted it to fail. It was very badly planned, timing was wrong, destinations they attacked was wrong, they didn't capture even any politicians etc...The only "winner" is Erdogan. Why is Erdogan important?
Because he's about to change Turkey's constitution and switch parliamentary system to a pseudo presidential system thanks to the coup attempt.https://www.diigo.com/item/t/vX1…
This system is one of the most dangerous exports of the US to 2nd and 3rd world. Because it creates one man regimes compared to a multi-party system. Multi-party systems are harder to control by external powers. Because power is distributed and can quickly change hands or be shared in case of coalition governments. Therefore they create more independent governments.
If your country is in some part of the World that falls under this Gang's interest than they will prefer a more manageable system for your country.
It wasn't only the parliamentary system that made it harder for them to mess with internal affairs of Turkey it was also the other power holder of the country, the secular military.Since Friday more than 3000 high ranking army officers are arrested. Even if they won't be accused of anything their army career will probably be over. So no more threat from Turkish army that always acted as a Safety Valve to protect Secularism in Turkey.
But what do they gain from this? Turkey is already an ally and a Nato member with US bases and Iron Dome defense systems.
https://www.diigo.com/item/image…
THE GREATER MIDDLE EASTERN PLAN!
The GMEP.
According to this project a satellite state named KURDISTAN will be founded in Northern Iraq, Northern Syria and East of Turkey. The first two areas have already been taken under control by Kurds and minorities of these areas have been wiped out.
It may be hard to believe but ISIS is actually helping this plan a lot!
ISIS is former El-Kaide that have been used for a purpose(Iraq and Afghanistan invasions) and then weakened and transformed into ISIS. ISIS will be done when they accomplish their mission as well and we will have another peon.To make the long story short.
- The soldiers who joined the Coup is arrested and getting lifelong sentences. There's no death sentence in Turkey but media is talking about it too much lately. They might bring it back.
- Those generals are not that stupid to play a game just so Erdogan will be more powerful and they will get arrested.
- Erdogan was pretty comfortable since the beginning of the attempt. He knew about it.
- Either Gulenist or Pro-America soldiers have been fooled to start this and then left alone during the attempt.
- The Global gang doesn't invest on people, like Erdogan, but they invest on more permament systems, like a constitutional system that will f-up the future of a country. And that is the upcoming "presidential dictatorship system" in Turkey.We will see what will happen in the near future. Turkey might get divided into 2 or 3 pieces. The follower of Erdogan might be another Erdogan.
But this coup attempt was too obvious to fail and that's why it's hard to ignore and forget.- First image link
http://bit.ly/29TWLY…Beeswax - perhaps erdogan wasn't directly responsible, but he was prepared to take advantage of it, perhaps expected it to happen.sarahfailin
- Really interesting theory. Recently read a top AKP party member called for a new constitution.IRNlun6
- Interesting, so you think the coup was a false flag to create an excuse for the arrests. Makes sense..set
- First image link
- sarahfailin0
hey beeswax. glad you're ok! i'm not sure what you're saying about Kurdistan though. Are you saying it's part of Erdogan's agenda to surrender part of Turkey to a Kurdish state? Or that the West is trying to orchestrate the re-creation of a Kurdish state?
My understanding has always been that Kurdistan used to exist before WWI, but then was dismantled, by Britain and other European countries, when the nations of Iraq, Syria etc. were drawn out by them. Of course they did this without any thought or knowledge of the history or interests of the people in the region.
Based on this, I've always thought the Kurds *ought* to have have their own country. Do you disagree? Thanks!
- Kurdistan is an area where Kurds live. But there has never been a Kurdistan country. Right now Iraqi Kurdistan is a regional government connected to Iraq.Beeswax
- Before WWI it was under Ottoman rule before it was Byzantine rule before that under Persian Empire. I'm not against it but it's being designed to be anotherBeeswax
- puppet country like some other middle east ones.The more you divide this area the more problems occur. But I'm all for doing a referendum and give it to theBeeswax
- will of the people. The problem is the area is not only home to Kurds. There are religious divisions, Turkmens, Arabs etc. It might also start another shitstormBeeswax
- Erdogan's ideal is a neo-ottoman state with different cultures living together in an expanded territory. That's why he's against Turkish nationalism tooBeeswax
- But West doesn't like this ideal at all. They will fool him into this idea like they did in Syria. So As Admiral Akbar says "It's a trap!"Beeswax
- wow very interesting points! thanks. I need to do more research.sarahfailin
- Beeswax1
I'll recollect my previous notes here.
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"Kurdistan" currently indicates the geographical area where Kurds live. But there has never been a Kurdistan country. Right now Iraqi Kurdistan is a regional government connected to Iraq.
Before WWI it was under Ottoman rule before it was Byzantine rule before that under Persian Empire. I'm not against it, but it's being designed to be another puppet country like some other middle east ones. The more you divide this area the more problems occur. But I'm all for doing a referendum and give it to the will of the people.
The main problem is that the area is not only home to Kurds. There are several religious divisions, Arabs, Turkmens etc. It might also start another shitstorm.Erdogan's ideal is a Neo-Ottoman state with different cultures living together in an expanded territory. That's why he's against Turkish nationalism too. Couple of years ago they removed the abbreviation T.C (Turkish Republic) from the title of all government organizations. So like, US Department of Justice became only Department of Justice. They are trying to erase Turkish Republic from everywhere.
The West doesn't like this Neo-Ottoman ideal at all. But they will fool him into this idea like they fooled him in Syria. I don't know who promised him this but at the beginning of Syrian conflict, he wasn't embarrassed to say "Soon we will pray in Damascus"
So if I'm not wrong, with this failed coup d'état attempt, they will have him to get all the power. While he's messing up the constitution and stirring the country they will pull him down. This will create a power gap in the Country and whatever can be done will be done.
Our unity has been severed like no other time. Since AKP is ruling country is massively polarized, army is weakened, justice system is off balance and constitution is getting fucked up.
I'm a secular muslim but they paint people like me as anti-islam. This tension can easily turn us into a partition like happened in Yugoslavia after Tito or Iraq after Saddam.
- eryx0
@Beeswax
From your last post it seems the main issue is the need for strong leadership in order to not create a power vacuum which would result in a divide in fundamentalist and non-fundamentalist islamic groups. Is Erdogan the guy to do this? I am also wondering how secular is he? Also you seem to have an issue with the idea of “puppet country” being created if there is a Kurdistan. If the West is not involved in the shaping of this new country who would be the alternative? There seem to be a ton of Fundamentalist countries that are very powerful in the region that would push for a islamic state and frankly I think a lot of western countries fear that to the point that they will try and influence any change in the region as much as they can.
I have never been to that region of the world and everything that I do know about the area is filtered by western media so I really do no know much about life there. But what I understand is that there is a big fear of islam in the west both by secular and non-secular people. I don’t think the motivation of the west would be to turn Turkey or the proposed Kurdistan “Christian”. Rather I think the motivation would be to keep it from becoming fundamentalist state.
Again I might be talking out of my ass but I would like to hear your insights into this. Really interesting having your perspective on this, thanks for sharing.
- I think it's pretty well known Erdogan is an Islamic hardliner. And Islam seems to like how things were way back when. So I assume he'll go in that direction.robotron3k
