QBNners in Turkey !!
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- Beeswax9
I'm back after getting stuck at the Airport.
IT WAS CRAZY!!!
No one knew what to do. I was flying from south of Turkey to Istanbul with my wife. And we started watching Tanks pulling off in front of the Istanbul's main airport. We waited in the bus to go to our plane but then things got more serious in Istanbul. The bridges and the roads were closed and military declared curfew.
On government channel a really scared looking women announced that the military took control. We decided not to leave where we are since we could have stock at the airport in Istanbul. Then our planes got cancelled. We waited for luggages.
In the meantime everybody was passing news to each other.
We found a shuttle back to my parents home.
And then they said the coup attempt is unsuccessfull.
But now we get some news that Turkish parliament got hit by rockets aimed from Military helicopters.
Also some pro-government people are on the streets celebrating the return of their Supreme leader Erdogan.
In social media people are saying this whole thing was a production for Erdogan to tighten his grip over the country.- Errogan lost control.Hayoth
- Holy fucking cowsDRIFTMONKEY
- I'm glad you're ok man, keep safemaquito
- damnmoldero
- Ffffuuuuusarahfailin
- i don't know much about turkish politics but is the military a better choice? Ie. more secular or less? stay safehotroddy
- There's a chance it's Erdogans trick to strengthen his authority.stewart
- all the best to you and your family and hope all are safe.fadein11
- Thanks people. Even if I don't know you, it's really nice to hear your wishes. The aftermath looks pretty terrible. And we don't know what's coming up.Beeswax
- It was surreal. And it still is. Economy will get hurt really badly. Tourism was already in crisis now completely finished. More so, this gave Erdogan a big oppBeeswax
- to rule the country singlehandedly. Whoever criticises government will be labeled "putschist". Only pro-gov newspapers were printed today. Sucks.Beeswax
- Stay safe bees!sea_sea
- GeorgesII7
I'm going to bed,
fuck this week,
qbners and everyone else in turkey be safe, godspeed- <maquito
- <3PonyBoy
- truer words have never been spokenautoflavour
- <DRIFTMONKEY
- GeorgesII9
this year is pure insanity
- sarahfailin9
This is why we need QBN threads for specific world events of significance. I heard it here first!
- Gnash8
stay safe, beeswax
- drgs1
what was he screaming?
- Probably nothing important.Continuity
- Something about shit Netflix access.detritus
- he referenced AleppoGnash
- “Allahu Akbar” – God is greatomg
- yeah, we can see how great god isscarabin
- Like I said: nothing important.Continuity
- HijoDMaite0
Posted by friend:
State of emergency -What can we EXPECT?
(Based on Article 120 of the Turkish constitution)
Sorry guys this is the best translation I could find
(SOURCE :REDDIT)
1) Limits on the time people can spend outside, curfews
2) Limits on where and when people can gather and how many
3) Searching persons and their vehicles and houses without a warrant and the ability to take anything as evidence
4) It will be mandatory to carry ID papers on you all the time if you are visiting an area that's not your home town
5) ANY printing press may be banned or will require approval
6) Any voiced broadcast whether it be radio, TV or film will depend on approval
7) Inspection of all theater plays, depending on approval
8) Rending persons whom may be thought to be harmful for public peace unable to enter or leave certain areas, or settle down
9) Banning or making all public demonstrations in open or closed spaces depend on approval
10) Delaying the firing of workers for 3 months
11) The ability to halt all activities of any foundation on a case by case basis for 3 months- sounds like funsureshot
- supw wikilieaks docs?sted
- the exodus of the secular and moderates will start now. at least those that are able to leave.Gnash
- ^^ sted, this is from their 'emergency' status as a result of the coup attemptGnash
- Aye, someone here should possibly consider removing some of their details from public view - or at least replacing them with Benfal's.detritus
- This is really terrible and will serve as a modern day example of the Islamization of a secular nation. Europe be aware and be warned.IRNlun6
- France is in a State of Emergency at the moment. They just extended it for another 3 months.Beeswax
- Yes they did, and it's not coupled with purging government officials, military, educators, and suspension of European convention on human rights.IRNlun6
- HijoDMaite4
friends reporting from Ankara and Istanbul on facebook:
-Mayor told everyone to hit the streets. ? ?
-martial law imposed
-Just heard a very loud bomb
-local markets in city are full of residents getting supplies and water.
-youtube, facebook and all sites suddenly released and working
-Friend just posted that he is canceling his trip home to Canada to stay with his wife and kid.
- HijoDMaite0
"An unnamed gunman gestures after shooting the Russian Ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, at a photo gallery in Ankara, Turkey, Monday, Dec. 19, 2016. Turkish police shot and killed the gunman, Turkish station NTV reported. Russia's ambassador to Turkey has died after being shot in Ankara, according to Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman. #APPhoto by Burhan Ozbilici"
https://www.apnews.com/bb8a9f040…
- mentalmaquito
- the start of a diplomatic tsunamisted
- Nah, won't amount to much, I don't think. Doubt this was a state-orchestrated thing.Continuity
- It will problably blow over, unless that cunt Erdogan opens his fucking mouth, again.Continuity
- How long 'til we see this on a t-shirt?detritus
- Doesn'ty matter what actually happened, what matters is what people believe.
https://pbs.twimg.co…detritus - detritus thanks. rassa already called for a un meetingsted
- like the scene in 300 when Leonidas kills the emissary.
This is Turkey!!!_niko - https://www.youtube.…detritus
- Beeswax1
I don't believe Erdogan did this anymore. He may already know about it and was prepared but it wasn't him who planned.
I do think it was connected to Gulen movement and ultimately Gulen is connected to a CIA/USA/Israel centered Global Gang. But the planned coup was destined to fail.
Main organizers wanted it to fail. It was very badly planned, timing was wrong, destinations they attacked was wrong, they didn't capture even any politicians etc...The only "winner" is Erdogan. Why is Erdogan important?
Because he's about to change Turkey's constitution and switch parliamentary system to a pseudo presidential system thanks to the coup attempt.https://www.diigo.com/item/t/vX1…
This system is one of the most dangerous exports of the US to 2nd and 3rd world. Because it creates one man regimes compared to a multi-party system. Multi-party systems are harder to control by external powers. Because power is distributed and can quickly change hands or be shared in case of coalition governments. Therefore they create more independent governments.
If your country is in some part of the World that falls under this Gang's interest than they will prefer a more manageable system for your country.
It wasn't only the parliamentary system that made it harder for them to mess with internal affairs of Turkey it was also the other power holder of the country, the secular military.Since Friday more than 3000 high ranking army officers are arrested. Even if they won't be accused of anything their army career will probably be over. So no more threat from Turkish army that always acted as a Safety Valve to protect Secularism in Turkey.
But what do they gain from this? Turkey is already an ally and a Nato member with US bases and Iron Dome defense systems.
https://www.diigo.com/item/image…
THE GREATER MIDDLE EASTERN PLAN!
The GMEP.
According to this project a satellite state named KURDISTAN will be founded in Northern Iraq, Northern Syria and East of Turkey. The first two areas have already been taken under control by Kurds and minorities of these areas have been wiped out.
It may be hard to believe but ISIS is actually helping this plan a lot!
ISIS is former El-Kaide that have been used for a purpose(Iraq and Afghanistan invasions) and then weakened and transformed into ISIS. ISIS will be done when they accomplish their mission as well and we will have another peon.To make the long story short.
- The soldiers who joined the Coup is arrested and getting lifelong sentences. There's no death sentence in Turkey but media is talking about it too much lately. They might bring it back.
- Those generals are not that stupid to play a game just so Erdogan will be more powerful and they will get arrested.
- Erdogan was pretty comfortable since the beginning of the attempt. He knew about it.
- Either Gulenist or Pro-America soldiers have been fooled to start this and then left alone during the attempt.
- The Global gang doesn't invest on people, like Erdogan, but they invest on more permament systems, like a constitutional system that will f-up the future of a country. And that is the upcoming "presidential dictatorship system" in Turkey.We will see what will happen in the near future. Turkey might get divided into 2 or 3 pieces. The follower of Erdogan might be another Erdogan.
But this coup attempt was too obvious to fail and that's why it's hard to ignore and forget.- First image link
http://bit.ly/29TWLY…Beeswax - perhaps erdogan wasn't directly responsible, but he was prepared to take advantage of it, perhaps expected it to happen.sarahfailin
- Really interesting theory. Recently read a top AKP party member called for a new constitution.IRNlun6
- Interesting, so you think the coup was a false flag to create an excuse for the arrests. Makes sense..set
- First image link
- maquito4
I don't know what would I do if this happened in my country, I seriously feel horrible for the people that are living that nightmare tonight. Let's hope everything mellows out quickly.
- Nairn2
'Amusingly' it's a lot of the expat / emigrant Turks who vote for the fucker, presumably because it doesn't impact them too much beyond peripheral benefits (eg. their Euros convert to a lot more Lire when they go back, etc).
The UK is one of the few countries where the majority of 'Turks'* voted for the opposition...
https://www.thenationalnews.com/…
That said, and I hate to say this, but I agree with your 'supermarket queue' comment - I do find a lot of the Turks here in London Really Fucking Rude. I don't remember them being like this a few years back. Wondering whether they're like the UK ex-pat communities in places like Spain, where they now have such a number that they think that don't need to adhere to local customs and norms, so become utterly contemptible.
* I put this in single quotes because I suspect a lot of the Turks here in the UK are more Kurdish.
- https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash
- Turks/Kurds same same but different.Beeswax
- I think there's a difference between migrants and expats. Rude ones are migrants who formed their closed society a while ago and dont give a fuck.Beeswax
- Also the ones in USA are very different than the ones in Europe & UK. USA>UK>Europe in terms of migrant quality/adaptibility...Beeswax
- Beeswax2
The truth is Turks don't deserve anyone better than Erdogan.
People who oppose him are as bad as his followers.
A rotten culture. I haven't seen worst in my 45 years on this rock.This is a country where I fight with people almost everyday waiting in supermarket line because they don't give a fuck if you were waiting there before them.
And they want to be ruled by a fair leader?This is not a reaction to the results, I secretly wanted him to stay even though i voted for others, I let go of my emotional ties a long time ago.
- the economy is going to implode pretty soon. It wont be different than Argentina.Beeswax
- They'll sabre rattle against Greece, threaten to pull out of NATO and support Russia, open the immigrant floodgates to Europe...the usual tricks to get $$$_niko
- oh and pretend to fight terrorism inside and outside their borders. I guess all this only helps the cronies at the top and not actual Turks._niko
- But I guess it's all good, I imagine there are thousands and thousands of cranes in the sky building and reinforcing buildings to prevent another disaster..._niko
- Beeswax1
I'll recollect my previous notes here.
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"Kurdistan" currently indicates the geographical area where Kurds live. But there has never been a Kurdistan country. Right now Iraqi Kurdistan is a regional government connected to Iraq.
Before WWI it was under Ottoman rule before it was Byzantine rule before that under Persian Empire. I'm not against it, but it's being designed to be another puppet country like some other middle east ones. The more you divide this area the more problems occur. But I'm all for doing a referendum and give it to the will of the people.
The main problem is that the area is not only home to Kurds. There are several religious divisions, Arabs, Turkmens etc. It might also start another shitstorm.Erdogan's ideal is a Neo-Ottoman state with different cultures living together in an expanded territory. That's why he's against Turkish nationalism too. Couple of years ago they removed the abbreviation T.C (Turkish Republic) from the title of all government organizations. So like, US Department of Justice became only Department of Justice. They are trying to erase Turkish Republic from everywhere.
The West doesn't like this Neo-Ottoman ideal at all. But they will fool him into this idea like they fooled him in Syria. I don't know who promised him this but at the beginning of Syrian conflict, he wasn't embarrassed to say "Soon we will pray in Damascus"
So if I'm not wrong, with this failed coup d'état attempt, they will have him to get all the power. While he's messing up the constitution and stirring the country they will pull him down. This will create a power gap in the Country and whatever can be done will be done.
Our unity has been severed like no other time. Since AKP is ruling country is massively polarized, army is weakened, justice system is off balance and constitution is getting fucked up.
I'm a secular muslim but they paint people like me as anti-islam. This tension can easily turn us into a partition like happened in Yugoslavia after Tito or Iraq after Saddam.
- Longcopylover0
I always thought I was quite good in understanding what is going on in world politics. But I think I just don't get it anymore. I start being indifferent. There's just too much shit going on to follow. And the worth thing is, I am asking myself whether it Is it still worth to bring children into this kind of fucked up world.
I feel sad.- *worst thingLongcopylover
- take a crash course off yurigeorges. if he/they are still around.fadein11
- Hey ORAZALeryx
- I'm not Orazal. Are you yuri?Longcopylover
- Sorry if your not but you were certified by a guy with like 100 accounts. It can make one doubt of your identity.eryx
- i'm not having kids! join the new wavesarahfailin
- I was certified by isleptwithsirenstoni... I don't know whether this is ORAZAL. I just don't care either. I think we are done with this who is who troll shit.Longcopylover
- _niko0
How can this be a coup attempt by an Islamic leader when the army is traditionally staunchly secular?
- yep I was wondering the same.fadein11
- the military coup is meant to topple the leader. military = secular, Erdogan = Islamic leaderHijoDMaite
- ^ nope you are missing the point - the coup was supposedly led by a religious faction of the army (which yes was thought to be secular)fadein11
- Reporter forced to make a statement on behalf of military coup also said they want to restore constitutional order. Really strange sequence of events.IRNlun6
- Thats because the religious faction is moderate and not radical.yurimon
- Beeswax1
The whole thing is a scenario put by Erdogan and his team.
Remember Bush using 9/11 and claiming Iraq has WMD's that got him two terms of whitehouse?
Play victim and exploit fears if you want power in politics.
- Beeswax1
Some update:
- Pro-gov and anti-coup people go out every night with their cars and flags and honk until 3am. Pretty annoying. But Erdogan calls them out on the street with SMS messages.
- The main opposition party, also one of the two alternatives of seculars, CHP, is organizing a democracy rally on Sunday in Istnabul Taksim square.
I wasn't sure if the AKP was going to allow that since they declared state of emergency last night.
But VERY interestingly, they actually invited people to go that rally and even made public buses free for that event.Now that is very interesting. One can not avoid thinking if it's kind of a trap.
But if it's not, it's a very good sign for normalisation and unity in the country.
I'm not sure if I'll go, my mom and my wife will freak out if I go since there might be a threat from ISIS, PKK or even AKP supporters.We'll see...
