UK Elections
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- Fax_Benson0
so Corbyn's sacking rebels who defied the whip (remember it being a sign of having principles when Jez did it all those hundreds of times). Now being praised by Farage and Hopkins. Brexit is going to kill Corbynism and maybe the Tories too - there's STILL a remain majority in the Commons even though the two main parties want a hard Brexit.
Maybe Vince Cable will come riding out of the wreckage on a white donkey.
- left and right wing nutjobs unitingFax_Benson
- all the decent people who've been caught up in Corbyn mania are going to get a look at his people and run a mile.Fax_Benson
- http://www.huffingto…kingsteven
- ^ 6 fucking months agokingsteven
- i mean, i see where your coming from on this... but corbyn sacking rebels for some hippy cunt amendment that reads like the preamble to a change.org petition.kingsteven
- it's all fucking BS. but when they're on record spouting the realities of brexit. that's just a BS political move and good fucking riddance.kingsteven
- i'm as critical of corbyn, and i can see the hypocrisy of it. but shine a light on any of these cunts.kingsteven
- my point isn't really about him sacking people but about brexiters attacking Umunna for being a traitor to brexit and corbynites for him being a traitor toFax_Benson
- Corbyn. A few sackings over an amendment is just the start but it's the brexit position that might burst his bubble.Fax_Benson
- ..even though it was in the manifesto and hasn't changed in decades.Fax_Benson
- might be the thing that finally opens people's eyes to all the other shitFax_Benson
- don't really agree with corbyn's 'the will of the electorate' bit but he's repeated it enough. you think there's corbynites that don't realise he's pro brexit?kingsteven
- hopkins is an iconoclast ass bag, farage will say anything that'll gain him friends. the tories in general are a morphing anti-idiological imitation of whateverkingsteven
- party is doing well in the polls last week. they could flip to be pro-remain by monday and still garner the same support. just tribal BS.kingsteven
- if corbyn sticks to his guns long enough he'll be winning 'lifelong x voters' that's the game. his hardcore - malleable hippy cunts can be won back at any timekingsteven
- with a soundbitekingsteven
- Fax_Benson-2
@chimp
they are doing this for the good of the people according to their own hard left dogma - and they're sweeping along a lot of genuine, well intentioned people who, by wanting things to be better, have constructed a false identity around Corbyn.
- It's not 'Hard Left' just Left. We've been so used to the centre ground anyone with a firm ideology seems extreme. He isn't.Morning_star
- It is very much is hard left. Look at his circle. Look at the media bubble that surrounds it. Really, it is.Fax_Benson
- @morning - exactly - his policies are not hard left at all.fadein11
- it was a middle class manifesto. His PEOPLE are hard left.Fax_Benson
- are they?fadein11
- Have a look.Fax_Benson
- Had a look and they aren't. Kevin Slocombe is possibly a contender. However his team seams pretty balanced to me.Morning_star
- yep - by scandinavian standards v.moderate.fadein11
- Can you give me an example of one of their "hard left" policies?Chimp
- exploiting austerity, system failure and social inequality for political gainFax_Benson
- Where did they say that? Or is that your opinion? Can you give a real factual example?Chimp
- they didn't say it, they did it.Fax_Benson
- The only way of winning is exploiting your enemies weaknessesfadein11
- fruitsalad-2
one of the protesters signs:
Trampolines...hmm not sure I'd want to jump from the 12th floor onto a trampoline. or even the 3rd floor... you're going to just bounce really high up again, and then probably onto the ground. suppose I'd chance it if no other option.
water cannons.. well they had the proper fire hoses. I know the police bought a water canon for protesters, but I think they scrapped/sold if I'm not mistaken.
Helicopters... again, not seeing how that'd work, what with all the rising intense heat and smoke. A rope from helicopter could perhaps worked in the early stages, but you'd need an extremely skilled pilot to hover steadily above a furious up draft, not to mention avoiding soot getting into the engine etc.
- what was need was someone to just pay £5k more for the fireproof cladding. Really seems like a tiny additional cost to have saved on when overall spend was £10mfruitsalad
- I had to mansplain to my partner last night why helicopters would be useless there. I felt like such a dweeb. But I WAS right.detritus
- I thought the helicopter issue was referring to the media helicopter that was buzzing about & maybe giving people the sense they were going to be rescued by it?lowimpakt
- wow - has this sign really bothered you?fadein11
- kingsteven0
Haha, been away for a couple of weeks but I was complaining about the DUP on the first page as a matter of 'You wouldn't believe the cuntbags that we get to vote for over here...' can't believe they won in my constituency though, a massive split between the (vaguely) progressive vote: Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance, Greens allowed them to waltz right in.
Well anyway, now you know!
- so it's all your fault!
how did the tour go?hans_glib - haha, we're so fucked over here, it's just nice to see it make national news.kingsteven
- tour was real nice. a few grim shows/turnouts/beds along the way but had a great driver, made it feel almost too easy.kingsteven
- so it's all your fault!
- lowimpakt0
The DUP who the Tories are in discussion with are an interesting bunch.
Up to 2016 their leader was Peter Robinson who founded a paramilitary group called Ulster Resistance.
The party is supported by other loyalist paramilitaries such as the UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commandos.
They are anti-immigration, 40% of their members believe creationism should be taught in schools, they are broadly homophobic.
- Continuity0
So what happens now, then?
Will May and the Conservatives be asked to try and form a government? Or is it a race between them and Labour to see who can put together a coalition, and then form a government?
- Well, forget the coalition idea. The figures just can't support a Labour coalition that will bring them over the 326 threshold.Continuity
- Hung parliament - Tories stay in power but with no working majority. Same with Labour, even with a coalition. Another general election sooner rather than later.face_melter
- Continuity1
Well. Looks like you chaps in the UK are headed for a hung Parliament.
- microkorg0
See ya ....
http://www.independent.co.uk/new…Conservative candidate Craig Mackinlay charged over Tory election fraud investigation
The Crown Prosecution Service made its announcement just days before the country votes in a general election.
Wonder how many others will fall ......
- Fax_Benson-1
- What's wrong with what he says? This was everywhere prior to the election by the way.fadein11
- 30 seconds of a 2hour speech - silly.fadein11
- I'm a marxist. I've been waiting for a financial crisis like this. Let's exploit it.Fax_Benson
- Chancellor in waiting.Fax_Benson
- He's been waiting for a crisis so bad - for people to be so fucked - they'll actually listen to him.Fax_Benson
- he's a sociopathFax_Benson
- set1
- fruitsalad-2
London Riots V2 this weekend?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-402…
"Protesters demanding help for those affected by the Grenfell Tower fire have stormed Kensington and Chelsea Town Hall with a list of demands.
Between 50 and 60 people broke off from a protest outside to go into the council building.
One member of the public said people made homeless needed help "right now".
After meeting survivors near Grenfell Tower, Theresa May announced a £5m fund to pay for emergency supplies, food, clothes and other costs.
There were angry scenes outside the Clement James Centre, in North Kensington, where the meeting had been held.
The Press Association reported one woman was crying at the scene saying it was because the prime minister had declined to speak to anyone outside."
I'm estimating the Chelsea Town Hall will either have 24hr police cordon, or it'll be torched....
- CALLED IT.detritus
- How do they arrive at £5m in funds... 120 apartments, average 2.5 peeps per flat, 100 dead = perhaps 200ish needing supportfruitsalad
- 25k per person to help with "supplies, food, clothes..."fruitsalad
- at 500 survivors, that's still 10k each.But you can guarantee they won't even see 50% of that fun per person.fruitsalad
- If Theresa May wants to calm the population, and fix this mess, she ought to take her 5m fund down to those survives and dish out wads of 10k note bundles.fruitsalad
- But no, as usual it's all hot air, various charities and support bodies etc taking a slice of the pie, until eventually, here you go survivors..fruitsalad
- ... we've got a school hall for you to sleep in, here's some red cross tents, tints of beans and some used clothes. £5m my arse!fruitsalad
- And then there'll announce a "full and independent enquiry",they always come on telly singing that old classic.fruitsalad
- The demonstration at the council building was peaceful. Staff refused to speak to protestors and called the Police. Police then 'kettled' them inside.monoboy
- The restraint being shown is impressive. I just hope it lasts as it'll be used against them to the fullest at every opportunity.monoboy
- Just remember, this council gave everyone a rebate of £100 because it has made 'savings' to the tune of £270m through austerity cuts.monoboy
- fadein111
Britain: The End of a Fantasy
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/201…
Was a toss up between the Brexit thread or this one.
- chrisRG-1
- Ianbolton0
Please remember BREXIT STILL MEANS BREXIT