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- Bluejam0
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https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - The DUP are that obnoxious family member that turns up at gatherings and after a few drinks starts talking about 'The Blacks' and corporal punishment.face_melter
- Patrick Stewart lives in the US now. I guess this explains his reaction.CyBrainX
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- lowimpakt1
Gove's back in.
What a bag of wank
- hilarious - like he's going to help repair the damage, he's been toxic in every position he's held.fadein11
- To keep an eye on him, stop his backroom whispering about leadership elections. Although he got blown the fuck up in the last one, the rubber-faced cunt.face_melter
- He can't even clap! http://i.imgur.com/5…microkorg
- He's like a Jim Henson puppet.face_melter
- That gif of him clapping is definitely android malfunction wtafset
- Anyone getting the impression someone's at the helm trying very deliberately to get this whole catastrophic two years of politics to implode? *fingers crossed*detritus
- I've got a feeling it's http://noel.world/Fax_Benson
- taking a break to do what?Fax_Benson
- Bluejam2
Meanwhile at number 10 ...
- Bluejam1
"No 10 refuses to confirm Queen's speech will go ahead next Monday. "
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- kingsteven0
Haha, been away for a couple of weeks but I was complaining about the DUP on the first page as a matter of 'You wouldn't believe the cuntbags that we get to vote for over here...' can't believe they won in my constituency though, a massive split between the (vaguely) progressive vote: Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance, Greens allowed them to waltz right in.
Well anyway, now you know!
- so it's all your fault!
how did the tour go?hans_glib - haha, we're so fucked over here, it's just nice to see it make national news.kingsteven
- tour was real nice. a few grim shows/turnouts/beds along the way but had a great driver, made it feel almost too easy.kingsteven
- so it's all your fault!
- Fax_Benson7
- brilliant
+1Bluejam - and "we called a referendum..."fadein11
- one of my favourite filmsGnash
- "shat on by tories, shoveled up by labour" - uncle MontyDillinger
- "I demand to have a majority!"
http://cdn.mos.cms.f…Bluejam - Hahaha! Think this is my fav filmmugwart
- "Here hare here" is one of my all-time favourite sentences.detritus
- brilliant
- hans_glib1
here's something for you lot to have a rant about...
this from a one time tory mp:
"Queen's Speech delayed, I see!!! I can see Theresa having a QS without a formal alliance with the Unionists and either scraping through as they abstain, or losing. If she loses, Corbyn will be appointed Prime Minister and given the chance to form a government.
The risk is, that he is a Leninist and never gives up power. His record in holding onto the levers of power has been demonstrated in his own party. He is shameless. If the result is another immediate election the Tories will enter it leaderless and be smashed. My student politics instincts - which are his - would be to catalyse a situation where there is another election, then sweep to power amidst Tory disarray. He will be fighting from a platform of strong and successful leadership. Unbelievable, but true."
- Holding onto the levers of power. By being democratically elected by the party membership. Twice.face_melter
- As opposed to the secret ball-tugging and rimjobs the Tories perform to elect their chief nugget.face_melter
- never gives up power... he's only just proven he has it.fadein11
- y'know, fuck party politics - Theresa and Jeremy and ...
https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - don't know if that'll happen but, Corbyn aside, the political space he comes from, and some of those he's brought with him, are a little bit worryingFax_Benson
- of course it wont, way too much common sense for those cunts in westminster.Bluejam
- why worry about one party when both are just as bad as each otherBluejam
- oey0
fucking desperation for power...
- microkorg0
"IN LAW, IF MAY CAN’T PASS #QUEENSSPEECH, #CORBYN AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES PM"
Don't know how accurate the article is but interesting read ...
- Fax_Benson0
I don't like Corbyn and what he represents but after the election I thought I should give him some time to see if some of the optimism he's undoubtedly generated would rub off on me. That last a couple of days.
Look at their behaviour since the tower block tragedy. McDonnell said he wants 1m people out on the streets to force May out of office. Less than a week after she won a democratic election. Less than 2 days after the tower block tragedy. And he called on unions to make it happen. Unions that they control - not for the people that need them but for the Left elite. They're calling for people's property to be requisitioned to house those made homeless. Even though the gvnmt has already said people will be re-homed. Even though it would take too long and cost too much and be a legal minefield.
How does forcing a wealthy person to give up a property solve any of the issues? (And guess which kind of wealthy peoples' homes they mean - it isn't Len Mcluskey's penthouse or John Lansman's property portfolio). It sounds good, though. It resonates. So they say it anyway, even though they know it won't work. It's almost as if it's a stunt to deliberately stoke resentment between people in the same borough. It's dangerous. McDonnell wants societal collapse + class war because it's the ideal ground on which to indoctrinate people to the left. He's said as much.
They're using the poor as a weapon to start a class war. That's their aim.This isn't new and fair politics. It's actually dangerous. It's going to be scorching hot in London this weekend. And inner-London boroughs are angry. There's no government. And the hard left want to stoke things up.
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- London Riots 2.0 this weekend?detritus
- May's not doing much better either ...Bluejam
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- Except they are doing this for the good of the people, not the rich elite.Chimp
- +1 bluejamset
- he can taste power, and wants to get there at any cost. exploit the dispossessed as cannon-fodder - and the images of them being beaten down will fuel the firehans_glib
- @det: i think it's 3.0, or maybe even 4?hans_glib
- and i still can't believe that May failed to spend any time with the community when she visited the scene ..."Forward together?"
http://bit.ly/2sixBZ…Bluejam - forget the semantics of what he said. He knows how that will be interpreted.Fax_Benson
- She didn't "win" enough to be in power.microkorg
- oh come on - you sound like the BBC. Read between the lines a little.fadein11
- It's not their aim at all - you are being mega cynical. It's about a fairer society - whether that works or not is another matter. Study his career - it's neverfadein11
- been about personal gain. And he is 'accidentally' the Labour leader and potential PM - he never wanted it. It was simply his turn to represent the left of thefadein11
- party as all others had had their chance and failed. I am not a huge fan of him for a number of reasons but not what you mention here.fadein11
- lol @ class war. It's about fairer distrubution of wealth and an end to austerity which has totally failed.fadein11
- sorry fadein but I genuinely think that it's you who needs to look a little deeper. not intending to troll or patronise - we've both been thereFax_Benson
- I have dug deeper - I wasn't a fan at all - he has grown on me. His career is proof. Never swayed on principles, never been for personal gain. My issue is thatfadein11
- hard left never sway on principles. that's the problem. it's dogma. and because it's 'left' it's righteous.Fax_Benson
- ...breaking down the existing econimic/elite power structures will be way harder than preaching to the already converted at a rally. It all seems too good to befadein11
- true and prob will be. But that manifesto was a good manifesto and I do think he is genuine. His track record and the fact he never sought the attention/powerfadein11
- in the 1st place are v.good signs. At worst we now have a strong opposition who are v.different to those in power - which is healthy.fadein11
- You don't seem to like the left or the right - are you on the fence or a neoliberal. Confused.fadein11
- I'm instinctively left but sick of it.Fax_Benson
- Same and I am not trying to troll either I just don't understand why you think it is an attempt at a far left takeover of UK. It's all quite moderate.fadein11
- I to have concerns about a militant left-wing causing a backlash. But we are already living in a class war. What happened this week lays it out bare.monoboy
- Also, did they actually say they would 'repatriate' the empty homes of rich folks for poor folks? Or 'could'? Or at all?monoboy
- The BBC have turned on May, her party already have. Sending out Leadsome to face the cameras. CCHQ are in GE campaign mode again already.monoboy
- Troubling times. I long for common sense but get the feeling this is going to kick-off badly. If Labour get left holding the Brexit baby, I hope to god they...monoboy
- find a way to turn opinion against it. Otherwise, they'll end up carrying the can for the shit storm on the way. High interest rates, low-wage, business exodus.monoboy
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- Fax_Benson-2
@chimp
they are doing this for the good of the people according to their own hard left dogma - and they're sweeping along a lot of genuine, well intentioned people who, by wanting things to be better, have constructed a false identity around Corbyn.
- It's not 'Hard Left' just Left. We've been so used to the centre ground anyone with a firm ideology seems extreme. He isn't.Morning_star
- It is very much is hard left. Look at his circle. Look at the media bubble that surrounds it. Really, it is.Fax_Benson
- @morning - exactly - his policies are not hard left at all.fadein11
- it was a middle class manifesto. His PEOPLE are hard left.Fax_Benson
- are they?fadein11
- Have a look.Fax_Benson
- Had a look and they aren't. Kevin Slocombe is possibly a contender. However his team seams pretty balanced to me.Morning_star
- yep - by scandinavian standards v.moderate.fadein11
- Can you give me an example of one of their "hard left" policies?Chimp
- exploiting austerity, system failure and social inequality for political gainFax_Benson
- Where did they say that? Or is that your opinion? Can you give a real factual example?Chimp
- they didn't say it, they did it.Fax_Benson
- The only way of winning is exploiting your enemies weaknessesfadein11
- Fax_Benson-1
- What's wrong with what he says? This was everywhere prior to the election by the way.fadein11
- 30 seconds of a 2hour speech - silly.fadein11
- I'm a marxist. I've been waiting for a financial crisis like this. Let's exploit it.Fax_Benson
- Chancellor in waiting.Fax_Benson
- He's been waiting for a crisis so bad - for people to be so fucked - they'll actually listen to him.Fax_Benson
- he's a sociopathFax_Benson
- Fax_Benson-2
- in 1 sentencehe's suggesting that Scottish independence, constitutional crisis and destruction of the Labour party would be good for...Fax_Benson
- wait for it...Fax_Benson
- ..the Left eliteFax_Benson
- fuck how it might impact everyone else - end justifies the meansFax_Benson
- They go to Uni, choose 'left' and think the working class owe them their vote.Fax_Benson
- Independence would be good. Not for Scotland but for their power grab. By destroying their own party. You've got to question that, surely.Fax_Benson
- Fax_Benson2
They want economic collapse so that they can exploit the aftermath. They want societal breakdown because that's their most fertile ground. They actually say it in those two examples.
That's exploiting the people they say they represent. What am I missing here?
- But they didn't create the problems. I think you may be going a little tinfoil hat. They want change not collapse - whether you agree the change is good or notfadein11
- is a different story. You are implying they engineered the last 10 years of austerity, the disaster of Brexit, the failing Tory party. They didn't create thesefadein11
- they want a socialist future. fine, looks good on paper. Look what they're willing to do to get it. It's in front of you and you can't see it.Fax_Benson
- issues or have any influence over them. They were in the political wasteland until a lot of disgruntled people noticed what Corbyn was saying.fadein11
- What have they done to try and get it? Do you mean Corbyn standing at a rally talking sense to a load of people sick of centrist politics?fadein11
- It's a grassroots movement that has grown way bigger than expected even by them. It's another reaction to people being sick of the same political bullshit. Wefadein11
- got Corbyn, the US drew the short straw and got Trump. But unfort we also have a side order of Brexit to deal with :)fadein11
- they don't care how fucked the poor get if it gives them a chance of power. They've admitted it.Fax_Benson
- the things you downvoted. That's their power strategy. They and you can justify it because it's 'left'Fax_Benson
- and the Tories are evilFax_Benson
- (they are pretty evil)Fax_Benson
- "they don't care how fucked the poor get if it gives them a chance of power" - happy to been shown proof of this pls - no evidence in stuff you posted below.fadein11
- I don't think you're missing anything apart from a rational understanding of the situation. The government now has an opposition.Ianbolton
- Corbyn never wanted personal power - study his career. He had to be persuaded to stand as leader and never expected to win. Hence his somewhat lacklustre start.fadein11
- Let's agree to disagree. I had/have reservations about Corbyn but as time has gone all I am seeing is good. I doubt their aims are what you say though and plsfadein11
- provide real evidence if it exists.fadein11
- Look up what Socialism means, also take a look at some "socialist" Scandinavian countries.Chimp
- i think corbyn is remarkably centrist in his policies. whatever his own beliefs if anything he's preaching multilateralism/ peaceful protest not revolution...kingsteven
- that'll be the next guy :-|kingsteven
- fruitsalad1
Ultimately politics is inherently flawed, the very act of forming a party and pushing an agenda, formulating policies based around a core ideology, always claiming the other side are wrong... never do you hear a politician or PM say "Actually the opposite parties ideas are quiet good and we've been wrong with some of our suggestions." never... there's no compromise... just stubborn thick headed dumbos...
They stand in the house of commons blatantly pushing their agendas, knowing full well it's not good at all for the general public, but damned if they'll let the other side win, damned if they're ever cave and admit their suggestions are stupid.
We need to elect not a party, not to choose between parties, rather to elect a group of individuals, and elect them individually. They should all be independent, accountable to themselves and the electoral. There should be no Left or Right, Tory/Labor etc parties. Just smart folks, someone has a good idea about pensions, elect them. Some has a great idea for transport, elect them. someone knows how to turn around the NHS, great. someone has the right view on immigration - with no left/right agenda, great lets hear their ideas. etc...
Because all we have these days is bickering and point scoring creepy politicians on power trips with hidden agendas.
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- +1 also do governments or corporations have more power?Chimp
- Fax_Benson0
The problem with the left (hard or otherwise) is that the end always justify the means. The left believes it is inherently good (and generally I'd agree) but that makes it unable to reflect. The cause is righteous and therefore opponents become symbols of bad. Once you're unable to accept that people with different views can be good people, you're able to justify all manner of shitty behaviour. Have a proper look at the bubble that surrounds Corbyn. Novara, SWP, The Canary, elements of Momentum. Try challenging them and see how kind and inclusive they are in return. Look at what happened to Angela Eagle. Look at what happened to women MPs who challenged him. And Jewish MPs. Of course, it has nothing to with Corbyn. It's just a few nutters.
It's this righteous attitude that leads to them seeing societal collapse and financial meltdown and simmering class tensions as things to be exploited. Don't worry, socialism will sort it in the end. They say it in the examples I posted. The greater the crisis, the greater the opportunity. That's fucked up. Seriously.
It happened with austerity. They used the unions to approve certain cuts so that they could exploit the consequences. Labour academics who pushed for cross-party consensus to mitigate the worst of the cuts (which people were voting for) were shunned and then attacked online. Consensus doesn't fit. Creating the necessary conditions for a socialist uprising fits. That's their game.
- Dunno, you can just disagree with people on single subjects on a web forum and BLAM you're polarised into being a fascist. Dissent's not the left's strong pointdetritus
- @det - I disagreed with him and we had a discussion. Noone called anyone a fascistfadein11
- Or dislike Trump and get "that's the problem with liberals like you" blah blahfadein11
- DEFENCE MECHANISMFax_Benson
- haha, and what on Earth made you presume I was talking about you and fax here, fadein? Guilt complex?detritus
- I see it all the time here, and other places - most vocal 'liberals' are anything but when views don't wholly adhere to theirs.detritus
- ...which is the sad reason fruitsalad's point above is impossible - because it negates the reconciliation of competing strategies within a single consensus.detritus
- guilt free and clear conscience - how about you? tricky to work out where you sit? fancy explaining as you also seem to dislike the left, liberals etc. What dofadein11
- you consider yourself? genuinely interested. You voted Brexit but live with an EU national (I think this is correct but may be wrong) and may have to leave UK?fadein11
- I agree on the righteousness point.Chimp
- I would like to understand your position on things better, if you want to. No pressure obviously :)fadein11
- you are a wally - for the nth time, I DID NOT VOTE BREXIT. What's the point in conversing if you don't ever listen?detritus
- wally lol. sorry I genuinely thought you voted brexit! I do feel like a wally now - have wondered why you would in your situ. but pls expland furtherfadein11
- "most vocal 'liberals' are anything but when views don't wholly adhere to theirs." - pls expand on this and what you consider yourself if not progressive.fadein11
- That's my prob - my politics don't neatly fit Tory or Labour, so I default to LibDems who I utterly loathe and who have policies I *massively* disagree withdetritus
- Since my twenties I've joked with people [who don't take things literally] that I'm a 'Liberal fascist' or a 'Fascist liberal' depending upon my mood.detritus
- Also, i hate the term 'progressive', because it comes pre-packed, sealed and closed to questioning. Someone used it here in reference to something I disagree ..detritus
- Fair enough. Yep - that makes sense to a degree.fadein11
- ..with and my overriding thought was 'how on Earth do you know your thoughts on this matter aren't actually regressive?'detritus
- I know it's not aways a great term because nothing is black and white. But it works for my worldview most of the time. Not others obviously. But I am a wally :)fadein11
- yeah, i getcha - I guess I rail against liberals more than conservatives because you know exactly where you are with people on the right.detritus
- yep true dat. I would classify myself in a perpetual state of bemusement and confusion with a desire for a fairer, happier world. a snowflake basically lol.fadein11
- but being called a wally has made my day - haven't heard that word since the 80's - I will be reusing it at the first opportunity.fadein11
- :)detritus
