The Great Flood scientific evidence thread

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  • GuyFawkes9

    debating with set be like:

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    • I know, lets attack the person rather than the idea.Morning_star
    • lol nice pic, but you really have done nothing here except broadcast your own small mindedness.set
    • your attempted insults proving my pointGuyFawkes
    • & don't you sleep?GuyFawkes
    • What does that even mean, you nutter... ?set
    • sleep?GuyFawkes
    • amazingBonSeff
    • &set
    • I hope you're still feeling embarrassed about this thread. You really should be.set
    • really? ok i will try to be embarrassedGuyFawkes
    • i saw this movie, dustin hoffman was good!futurefood
    • Personal attacks when we're trying to discuss an interesting topic. Lame..set
    • That dog is all "Officer, can I go with you?"garbage
    • Have you guys literary just downloaded set's posts for no reason?
      Set just posted some stuff that interests himself and a few others...
      mugwart
    • White privilegeerr
  • GuyFawkes9

    I don't think anyone here is debating whether tsunamis or a comet hitting earth, or the ice age ever happened, It's obviously clear that the debate here is 'The Great Flood' from the bible. But set is spinning the debate as if he's the only one here on the side of science, which we all know is not the case, most of us here are science enthusiasts.

    So going back to the original subject of 'if the Biblical Flood ever happened'

    Set 1:17 says:
    "The food didn't literally cover every square foot of land on earth"

    Genesis 6:17 says:
    "Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die."

    :19
    "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered."

    : 20
    "Fifteen ° cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

    is there even that much water in the clouds? the bible never said it quickly melted the ice caps, but QBN Pastor Rob cleared it up when he said "The flood waters came from gates in heaven and below the earth" so I guess that covers that.

    as for:
    "You can't count on two hands the number of cultures that have stories of a flood that happened around this period." the same could be said of flat earth

    Support for flat earth
    -West Asia
    -Greece
    -Europe
    -East Asia
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl…
    it’s also worth mentioning that the Genesis flood story was merely adapted from an earlier Mesopotamian flood myth 'the Epic of Gilgamesh' but since it was noted by multiple cultures at multiple times, does that mean it actually happened? Pinocchio is a story told all around the world, does that make Pinocchio a real boy?

    as for the fresh water fish surviving the great flood:

    Set 1:22 says:
    "Your fish logic still makes zero sense"
    :23
    "Of course fish will die if they're not in their natural water type.... So"

    GuyFawkes 6:66 says
    "please explain how the fish survived?"

    Set 1:98 says (responce to GuyFawkes 6:66)
    "Lorem Ipsum is simply dummy text of the printing and typesetting industry. "

    Fresh water fish cannot survive in salt water since they lack the capability to handle the salt intake (salinity tolerance) on their gills. Wouldn’t freshwater rains from the sky have made the saltwater deadly to ocean marine life? So wouldn’t saltwater have been toxic to all freshwater fish? And if water boiled up from beneath the earth’s crust, wouldn’t water temperature changes in the delicate ecosystem have also had a deadly effect? Maybe god protected them so Noah wouldn't have to collect them all? But if that was the case, why didn't he do that with all the land mammals as well? hmmm.

    Even Christians realize this is an issue because we are not as ignorant as we were in the past (thanks to science) and as usual their response varies, here is one:

    "There are many areas in the world where freshwater and saltwater are together, but the waters don’t mix. Studies on water have shown that various temperatures, chemistries, and sediments in the waters don’t mix but instead become segregated. It is possible that the fish survived in “pockets” of fresh or salt water, depending on the species. Before the flood, the fish would not have been affected as strongly by the curse like they are today, so they may have been able to tolerate the water mixes during the flood and adapt to the different chemical makeups. It should be noted that the majority of fossils are marine creatures, so most fish died during the flood when they were buried by sediments. We know that two of each kind of fish survived, though, because we see them and their variations swimming in bodies of water today."

    and finally, the Egyptians and the Chinese civilizations that were operating back in 2300 BC have no such records of any flooding.

    • You are proposing that the Bible is LITERALLY true. Is that right?Morning_star
    • ^
      I'm glad we got the mandatory christian cop-out out of the way
      GuyFawkes
    • You're taking the bible literally, which is bonkers. We're talking here about the evidence of a catastrophic flood that almost all ancient cultures on earth...set
    • tell tales of.set
    • hah, snap morning_star.set
    • we're talking about the Biblical flood Set, this all stemmed from the religion thread, not the science threadGuyFawkes
    • @Guy FYI: List of Flood Myths (Includes China) https://en.wikipedia…Morning_star
    • It's one and the same flood. I'm not responsible for the bible exaggerating it.. (what a surprise....)set
    • You're saying that there was never a flood that killed every living thing on earth? Do you think any sane person here is disputing that?set
    • @Morning, lol, did you read what floods they were referring to?GuyFawkes
    • again, @ Set, this is about the Biblical Flood, nothing elseGuyFawkes
    • @Set, I'm really trying not to lump you in with these bible thumpersGuyFawkes
    • @Guy Thousands of years ago there was a great flood. This flood was so devastating that most ancient human societies embraced the story into their origin...Morning_star
    • ...Many flood myths can be found around the world. The 'Great Flood' myth included in the bible is based on these myths.Morning_star
    • You've clearly missed the discussion we've all being having about real cataclysmic floods. Not one single sane person is suggesting a flood that filled every...set
    • I'm moving on, I just got another notification on upgrading to High Sierra, focusing my frustrations on Apple now.

      •virtual-bro-hug
      GuyFawkes
    • square foot of earth and killed every single living being. That's as ludicrous as Mary being impregnated by God. No sane person even entertains that.set
    • Also, who do you think are the Bible thumpers?Morning_star
    • well since this entire debate is on the bibles interpretation of the flood, it looks like we agree then, and yes, it is ludicrous.GuyFawkes
    • @Morning_star
      I'll take the bait.

      you buddy.
      GuyFawkes
    • Nope. Organised religion is a fucking cancer.Morning_star
    • the "taking the bible literally" thing threw me off, only bible thumpers use that shit when their stumped.GuyFawkes
    • along with "the lord works in mysterious ways" AKA "Magic"GuyFawkes
    • No worries dude.Morning_star
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  • detritus5

    I'm normally the first to leap on to set and his highly-irritating manner of lolguing whatever side best fits whichever flavour narrative he woke up with that morning, but the flood myth really is the worst one to attack him for. Especially when you end up with kangaroos... :)

    https://www.theguardian.com/aust…

    'Most' of our modern EuroWestAsian-centric mythos comes from the middle East, wherein we have two major seas that are scientifically 'proven' to have been affected by some massive and sudden level rises within historical bounds plausibly connectable through written and spoken histories.

    Besides that, there is the further-back relationship with post-Ice Age sea level rises, which would have affected civilisations after those that built the pyramids, so feasibly with actors who woudl physically see the results of sea-level rises around their shorelines (half-submerged motes of civilisation, for instance, much like Alexandria in Egypt today).

    I don't really think any of this is in significant doubt — nor, to be fair, absolutely decided upon either.

    Set's problem is that he speaks in black and white terms without realising that he's not committing himself to the same alowance for vaguery that he denies his opposition. Also, sometimes, the opposite. And whatever way, with a completely undeserved insulting arrogance, which again doesn't really help dialogue.

    It's frustrating, we all know.

    • nice read, (that article) still at itGuyFawkes
    • and why dv this? det is making some sense up in this bitch!GuyFawkes
    • You might be interested in this too, then:
      http://www.abc.net.a…
      detritus
    • The capacity and apparent coherence of Aboriginal oral history across such huge gulfs of time is fascinating.. and hope-inspiring for our own myriad of mythsdetritus
    • ...in terms of how much 'useful' information we can glean from them.detritus
    • this shit amazes me thanks mateGuyFawkes
    • lol, upvoted.set
    • since you up-voted, i think its obvious whose doing the dv'ingGuyFawkes
    • I only irritate you because you know I'm right, and there's nothing more annoying than an arrogant cunt being right.set
    • you were right in the wrong debate, but no you don't irritate meGuyFawkes
    • Not talking to you.set
    • ok now im embarrassedGuyFawkes
    • You're the one in the wrong debate, Guy. At least 10 other people have chipped in with evidence of a vast flood, which is the discussion we're having.set
    • You're literally the only one arguing that the flood described in the bible literally cannot be true. Everyone else already agreed on that.set
    • everyone was agreeing on the facts that your posted, even I agree, but the debate is over "The Great Flood" not the ice age, comets, etcGuyFawkes
    • The Great Flood, being the flood that all ancient cultures tell stories of, including the bible. The one which evidence suggests it existed, you mean? That one?set
    • We're all in agreement that the Bible is full of shit, but the flood that it references was most likely a real flood...set
    • Which is the point of this thread, no?set
    • You're back tracking.set
    • you know what i'm talking about, but I will bow in shame with my ignorance and give you "the prize" because I need to workGuyFawkes
    • Such a cop out. This thread is fascinating... You suggested there is no evidence for a great flood, and plenty has been put forth.set
    • You can't pretend your 'bowing in shame' simply because you don't have time anymore. You were proven wrong... be graceful about it.set
    • you're... *set
    • LOL, you win already!
      •Virtiual-Blow-Job
      •GuyFawkes Cries During Sucking Sets Dick
      Don't you work?! or Sleep?!
      GuyFawkes
    • is this you on internet debates?
      https://78.media.tum…
      GuyFawkes
    • Again, YOU WIN THE PRIZE!
      I was WRONG!
      I am STILL WRONG!
      I will ALWAYS BE WRONG!!
      GuyFawkes
    • floldetritus
    • Don't I work or sleep lol, you've said that about 5 times, have you seen the size of your nonsense post in this thread?set
    • I can literally go on foreverset
    • you should be proud of yourselfGuyFawkes
    • Can you not tell that I am already?
      Massively.
      set
    • even I am proud of youGuyFawkes
  • doesnotexist6

    this is going well

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  • Gnash4

    At no point did I get the sense that anyone was arguing that the entire planet was completely submerged, as per the Bible, and that moses and fam led the way to salvation -- especially not Set.

    Only that all major cultures have flood myths as part of their history and the evidence of massive floods is pretty clearly established in the fossil and geographic record.

    Maybe there one massive calamity (a la comet/tsunami), or possibly a series of semi-connected disasters related to ice-age melt that was the basis for all those varied histories. I have my preferred theory, but there is no question that massive floods did occur

    When your gaze only extends to the next hilltop or horizon and your knowledge of the rest of the world is just as limited; is it really surprising that an observer would declare that "the world is flooding!" when in reality, it is merely his local area?

  • ApeRobot0

    This thread will embrace the five stages of grief.
    Let the great flood of dowvotes begin. :)

    • Is the first one blind denial?set
    • yes, Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.ApeRobot
    • Flood waters in that region may well have flowed down denial.Fax_Benson
  • sarahfailin2

    Why is this not true?

  • Maaku0

    Late to the game but I agree with Set, there are tales of the great flood from different cultures around the globe. It all sounds crazy but they all have in common the time in which it happened (around 10,000 to 12,000 years ago). And there's evidence of a big comet hitting earth around the same time, so if you connect the dots it all makes sense. Now stop being so squared minded and wake up sheeple.
    And the bible is nothing but a history book, whether its content is original or not, it talks about events that happened a long time ago. Let the downvotes begin...

    • But I don't think anyone disputed this lol. This thread is becoming surreal. Everyone agreed and fell out.fadein11
    • Some more that others obviously :)fadein11
    • ^ I feel like the drunk guy that fell asleep during the fightMaaku
    • Basically noone as far as I could tell disputed Set's comments yet he abused a fair few anyway as per usual.fadein11
  • detritus0

    I've said it beforehand here — the thing that most fasinates me about flood myths, etc, is how throughly they will have completely bent our historical optics.

    We're mostly a littoral species, so the vast bulk of our 'modern' history has been utterly lost to us.

  • _niko0

    so the Himalayas and mount Everest and every other mountain on earth were under water? the entire earth was under at least 8km of water?

    and all this water went where exactly?

  • BK0

    Post ice-age meltdown baby... All that water gots ta go somewheres!!

    • < this! along with the baltic sea flood pretty much covers it.Gnash
  • ApeRobot0

    Check out the work of John Anthony West
    https://www.gaia.com/person/john…

  • ApeRobot0

    Also Robert Schoch
    http://www.robertschoch.com/

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  • Gnash0

    this is my favorourite theory. towards the end of the vid it talks about the black sea breach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?ti…

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  • mugwart0

    This one will probably have me laughed at but I have been slowly going throuigh this book (due to time) but I like his approach in the first chapter about why we cant accept new ideas.

    This all be right or wrong (I still feel we would benefit from this mind set change).

    https://scarletimprint.com/publi…