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- robotron3k-9
Stanford test results on Coronavirus, this will not make Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci very happy...
- Chill, this is nothing new. The rate is obv under 1% if you test A LOT of the population...but nobody is doing it to keep the numbers low/highgrafician
- but also https://statmodeling…grafician
- and another study and discussion: https://news.ycombin…grafician
- Peer review rejects this study https://medium.com/@…Krassy
- this is ripped apart by common sense analysis here:shapesalad
- https://youtu.be/R8P…shapesalad
- ^ it's really no different to the estimates we made at the start based on small samples. there are > 10 other serology tests with similar figures...kingsteven
- in a couple of weeks we will know, but i agree stanford does seem to be within the specificity of the test kits... some of the other studies are lab testskingsteven
- pff, I never trust guys in ill fitting suits, I never trust guys with moustaches, and I never trust Greeks! lol_niko
- figures, Covididiot would post this.utopian
- also he says" it's no worse than the seasonal flu" except than in europe, the flu kills 75k per year, this has killed 95k in two months with draconian measures_niko
- or if we take a look at sweden who has taken the least drastic measures, we'll see that in 2018-19 there were 505 deaths due to influenza and 1760 so far due to_niko
- covid https://www.folkhals…_niko
- It's weird as fuck this video.kingsteven
- Bluejam-2
- PonyBoy0
why's florida gotta harass a sweet old man working out alone in the park?
- shapesalad-3
Stanford study ripped apart by common sense analysis:
- ha ha, watch it before you downvote it, very good points made about all this 'a study says..' which when you dig deeper is full of bad study techniquesshapesalad
- we need it to be randomised, did't the last stanford study get torn apart too? there's now >10 of these serology tests suggesting far bigger numberskingsteven
- some of them are lab testing/ not test kits and taken from blood donations (slightly more randomised sample) - if they're correct it also suggests a higher R0kingsteven
- the next round of testing should show at least a doubling in numbers if they're correct... it would also bring the numbers out of the range of false positiveskingsteven
- Here's a mad one from yesterday (needs translate) https://www.svt.se/n…kingsteven
- even for sweeden's high death rate this would suggest 30% in stockholm have antibodies with a test selected to give no false positiveskingsteven
- also, from blood donors (all have not been ill recently so - asymptomatic, and > 18y/o) actual randomised population sample would be higher.kingsteven
- also, something he doesn't touch on here but if cases ARE out of the realms of our current models it lowers the % needed for herd immunitykingsteven
- hah ^ i shoulda done a big IF ffskingsteven
- webazoot0
"Regarding those 128 fake #NHS Staff accounts posting for 'Herd Mentality' and support of the Govt that were set up by @DHSCgovuk or their marketing agency
Posts were sent using Hootsuite, a mass-posting tool. Account registered to 1 person with 4 assigned contributors."
"We discovered that the real ‘NHS Susan’ is a nurse from Greece..."
- Fuck the ToriesBluejam
- a nurse from Greece who works in the UK for 4 years.
what is the actual story here?sted - ^ her picture was being used without permission for the fake accountkingsteven
- ah seesee thankssted
- Twitter and Facebook doing a bang up job controlling the fake news, trolls and fake accounts.utopian
- I looked into this, there doesn't seem to be much evidence so far...Projectile
- lowimpakt0
oh.
The UK Office of National Statistics showing a large gap between deaths reported by Government and deaths. roughly 40% more deaths.
The ONS "include all deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, even if only suspected, and we include deaths that happened in hospital and the community."
"- of all deaths in England and Wales that occurred up to 10 April (registered up to 18 April), 13,121 involved COVID-19
- Comparatively @DHSCgovuk figures show that 9,288 deaths occurred by 10 April"
- i predict they'll add them gradually as deaths in hospitals fall... artificially steepen the drop in deaths to create social support for ending lockdown.kingsteven
- the correct method is to keep it the way it is, and make a big correction at the end of the wave.uan
- meh, statistics will statistic. read the blog, different accounting methods.hans_glib
- @hans, a load of countries (italy, sweeden) - some states in US using suspected cases. & it would seem to be the usual way of doing things.kingsteven
- @hans, totally agree. some of text I pasted was about dif. accounting methods. I would trust a statutory statistics agency ahead of a gov department.lowimpakt
- deadsperm0
How is the lockdown ruining the economy?
I've never had this much money in the bank this far into the month!- You've answered your own question. You have money. It's not been spent. Spending = Economy.shapesalad
- I thought the goal of the game was the accumulation of wealth. Is my money in the wrong hands? Am I doing it wrong?deadsperm
- The money on your account is not in someone else's pocket. But I am in the same situation, as long as I still have a job at least.Longcopylover
- I now buy vouchers from my favourite restaurants and small businesses to keep them alive.Longcopylover
- they want you in debt, banks make money on interest. banks pay interest on savings. we all save, well... banks may charge to hold your cash.shapesalad
- Putting my money into the system so others can benefit from it sounds too much like socialism. No, thank you. Not for me!deadsperm
- I was using "in the bank" colloquially, I keep my $ under my mattress.deadsperm
- This is what drunk people say********
- If there is no money in the economy, there is no economy. Further, you'll never be "wealthy" by simply saving, you need to invest and leverage,formed
- This has nothing to do with "socialism", it's basic economics. It was pretty obvious what your bias is.formed
- My clients have been decimated by this. CRE, hospitality, airlines...not good. Thankfully I had a pharma and the CDC as clients...biz is "good" for them.MondoMorphic
- “ Putting my money into the system so others can benefit from it sounds too much like socialism.” Except it’s the definition of capitalism.monospaced
- I can definitely tell, I am living from my savings currently...SimonFFM
- All I know is that I've got more money. So the economy is good for me even if I'm not good for the economy.deadsperm
- Nice you have $25 bucks more in the bank than usual :)NBQ00
- How? Because your little account, enjoying a temporary spike, is not 'the economy.' Ask teacher about this when school reopens********
- I'm about immediate not long-term profits.
What are you going to sell me next, universal healthcare?deadsperm - I just ate a huge meal, might as well sell the fridge and renovate the kitchen into a second bedroom.nb
- Lol. This thread is brilliant. Thanks :)Gnash
- Short term goals.
Why we're in the situation we're currently in.PhanLo - Wow I'm getting a great deal on rent for this place considering it's a 2-bedroom nownb
- @Gnash
QBN always delivers!deadsperm - That escalated quickly...Longcopylover
- While the brother-in-law is hoarding cash, the wife and I just paid off a car loan. Did I help the economy?misterhow
- this aged particulary well
http://www.buynothin…Bluejam - Buying a gift card: you're giving an interest-free loan to a business you want to support, with no way to collect if they go bankrupt. Right now, it makes sensenb
- But outside of this kind of situation, you shouldn't be buying gift cards. Definitely not to places like Starbucks, Amazon, etc.nb
- What the problem is here is that you base the nations economy on the monthly account balance. That’s why you are so confused and wrong. Sorry.monospaced
- The economy isn’t good for you, as you concluded. The economy is tanking but you aren’t spending. Your situation is hanging on but that’s it.monospaced
- My personal bank account might have a little bump right now, but my 401k and other investments are way down.OP31
- GoldGnash
- money is just a way of keeping score....ArchitectofFate
- autoflavour1
so there are few places reporting that the WHO, Gates foundation, CDC and a few others got hacked and paste bins of their login details are public..
saw it on the 2600 group on facebook.. happened like 2 hours ago
- Wuhan Institute of Virology also.. thus the COVID postautoflavour
- Holy fuck ! Something big is happening.robotron3k
- Nothing 'big is happening' - it's just a certain corner of the internet's dicking around againNairn
- you would see documents, and proper proofs like screenshots of mailboxes.
this looks like some busywork.sted
- R_Kercz2
"I’m grateful to President Trump for sending us a list of federal labs and generously offering Maryland use of them for #COVID19 testing. Accessing these federal labs will be critical for utilizing the 500,000 tests we have acquired from South Korea."
- MD Gov HoganAfter this is all over the stories of different states trying to evade piracy by the feds will be fun to read.
- drgs3
Swedes estimate that 1/3 of all Stockholmers are/have been infected, and that 99% of them don't know it.
- Sweden has 2-3M bigger population than Switzerland and lower numbers despite no lockdown. Let‘s see how plays out in the end.NBQ00
- if true, that means most of them have developed herd immunityKrassy
- Switzerland got knocked silly, way worse than USA, not a good barometer...robotron3k
- You can't use "USA" as a comparison. USA is 50 countries. The situation in New York is nothing like the one in AlaskaKrassy
- they were out saying yesterday that they calculated that 11% now had immunity, but quickly withdrew that as it was based on just 100 blood donors...Nutter
- I call bullshit. And there's no evidence that anyone builds up enough antibodies for there to be any likelihood of herd immunity.BusterBoy
- they've now withdrawn this study as they can't guarantee that some blood wasn't from covid-19 patients taken for plasma samples!kingsteven
- grafician0
"The following is the text of a study by Prof Isaac Ben-Israel, first published on April 16, 2020. (Ben-Israel discussed his research on Israeli TV on April 13, saying that simple statistics show the spread of the coronavirus declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.)
The following article aims at examining the development of the coronavirus disease in Israel since its inception 56 days ago (8 weeks).
It turns out that the peak of the virus’ spread has been behind us for about two weeks now, and will probably fade within two more weeks.Our analysis shows that this is a constant pattern across countries. Surprisingly, this pattern is common to countries that have taken a severe lockdown, including the paralysis of the economy, as well as to countries that implemented a far more lenient policy and have continued in ordinary life.
The data indicates that the lockdown policy can be stopped within a few days and replaced by a policy of moderate social distancing."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/th…
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Soooooo...this might explain why Sweden without full lockdown has almost the same numbers as other countries that went nuclear lockdown
- Sweden's 12% death rate and low # of tests administered indicates there are up to 6x more active cases throughout the country than reported.zarkonite
- I did a post while back with some numbers - there maybe 10x more cases than reported (tested) so the R0 is very high but the death rate is very low (0.4%)grafician
- but still 0.4% is a big number for big countries, that was the issue, that we need to reduce thatgrafician
- then again, as numbers and studies coming in, it really looks like we overreacted - that's both a good and a bad thing tho'grafician
- I'd rather we overreact than underreact, frankly.Continuity
- You can't overreact to a pandemic. At least, better to overreact than under react.shapesalad
- And something needed to burst the bubble economy, unfortunately central banks are just throwing money at the economic problem, rather than letting it reset.shapesalad
- This isn't anywhere near being over, this virus will keep coming back until everyone's had it. We have to reach a certain level of immunity in the generalzarkonite
- population. A vaccine can get us there faster, but most of us will have to develop immunity for this thing to stop growing.zarkonite
- I'm not entirely sure that we can develop any sort of immunity to it. There are other viruses we have no substantial immunity to. We need vaccine or cure.shapesalad
- But did you read the article, it says right there the virus is going away after 8 weeks or so, more or less...grafician
- there was also that "prediction" from that baba-yaga-old-bulgar... who dreamt the virus and said it was going away like puff and we all laughed about it...grafician
- *Conspiricy Of Day Thread*webazoot
- zarkonite - at this point its not even sure if people get immune to the virus, or if it due to mutation, can infect them again.Nutter
- Ramanisky24
- HA!mathinc
- Didn't the devil go down to Georgia too?Morning_star
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- @morning_star is that a primus reference :Dtrooperbill
- Yep.Morning_star
- at the end of the first quarter?dorf
- I have not laughed so hard in a while.. thank youautoflavour
- zaq3
- mg331
Some good news coming out in the past few days about Invermectin being used to quickly treat Covid-19.
