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- OBBTKN0
Spain now has more coronavirus deaths than China
- NBQ00-3
Does anyone think we will be back to normal end of April? Like business as usual work wise?
I can't imagine governments lifting the lock down if numbers are the same or increasing. Then why did we do a lockdown and "stay at home" at all?
- Nope. Though Trump will try and it will be interesting to see people put an actual, visible cost on white, western lives.ben_
- to decrease the amount of severly damaged patients who need hospitalisation at the same time.uan
- back to normal? no. At a new normal... possibly. The next two weeks will determine a lot of that for those of us going hard at it presently.MrAbominable
- only way it's over by end of April is if everyone gets it and either dies or recovers in the next 2 weeks. And won't actually be normal because massive deads.Fax_Benson
- While it made sense to shut everything down at once, things will open more gradually. This isn't a light switch.********
- Ask yourself what would need to have happened for things to return to normal?shapesalad
- autoflavour7
Trump is more delusional than ever if he thinks this will be over by Easter.. he will push to make it go away, there will be a huge spike in cases as people just follow his lead, and people will die.
This is 18 months..
- waiting for robo to justify Trump and ready to follow his adviseszaq
- All numbers will doubled before EasterBennn
- Man, it haven't even started in the US yet.haga
- Says the scientist!Hayoth
- dont need to be a scientist... just logical.Bennn
- He just cares about the economy tanking over peoples lives, no biggie. He's a fucktwit.davey_g
- i_monk1
Saw an ad for an all-inclusive Cancun stay, $500 *per couple*, redeemable any time in the next 24 months.
Bring on the travel discounts!
- SteveJobs3
I think the easter thing is a measure to keep the US from going into an economic panic. If I were the president right now I'd be doing the same thing. Stay as positive as possible. Keep people calm while they try to get a handle on the virus, in hopes that the next positive message of finding the treatment will outweigh the massive death toll we'll have seen by then.
Can you imagine the president of the United States trying to manage expectations in any other way? "Hey everyone, don't panic, but we anticipate a lockdown that may go well beyond a year.. maybe two". Can you imagine the kind of social unrest that would cause? Look at what happened when he declared a national emergency with only a handful of deaths. Everyone began hoarding resources.
Also, he is probably thinking about approval ratings and re-election.
Finally, don't even think about calling me a Trump sympathizer. I can disklike or disagree with someone and still see their point of view - at the exact same time.
- We're not talking a year or two though, we're talking a couple of shitty months, which doesn't align with Trump's focus on the Wall Street side of the economyNairn
- (two months in terms of hard lock downs - a couple years perhaps of disruption otherwise)Nairn
- < this +1. By comparison, Cuomo yesterday went all gloom and doom with the 'you're killing NY' stuff which was anti-helpful, except politically.MrAbominable
- You have to accept that when he talks to his base it's not necessarily grounded in reality. I guess most non-trumpers are reconciled to lockdown beyond EasterFax_Benson
- he has to talk differently to his base to stop them spazzing outFax_Benson
- This is in response to autoflavour and others stating 18+ months. But my point stands with even a few months. Ordinary, everyday folks are scared.SteveJobs
- We just want a president who is honest about the situation and isn’t making promises that most people roll eyes at.monospaced
- Monospaced, I both believe what I stated AND agree with you.SteveJobs
- I totally agree with you SteveJobs. Gov are doing the same in Canada, they dont want the population to enter panic state.Bennn
- In NY infected people are doubling every 3 days. You have to make them scared shitless so they can stay home and take this serious.zaq
- In Canada, construction sites continue. Soon, we will see places like automated factories reopen and <5 businesses. Large open-concept offices will be the last.********
- Construction is all stopped in QuebecBennn
- While our Prime Minister hasn't said how long they expect it to last, they also haven't giving wrong hopes by saying "its over in two weeks""Nutter
- If a leader says 'weeks' it's reduced hours or temp lay off. If a leader says 'many months or more' it's ... downsizing********
- @zaq, the infected rate is ONLY based on tests, not the actual rate, which is quite obviously much MUCH higher and not life threateningmonospaced
- Bennn3
According to Trump, this is what going to happen
- Ramanisky2
- Please keep bitcoin-related posts to the appropriate threads, bennnnNairn
- lollBennn
- Vertically flatten the curve!futurefood
- I bet the head of the task force chose the date, cause you know, religionKrassy
- sted0
The youngest person who died without having any previous health issues is 21 years old.
- renderedred0
word is total shutdown in israel is coming tonight...
- and you guys have the military and resolve in place to back it up, absolutely.
good luck, man.Nairn - it's much easier to do it in a small country that's for sure. and yes, the army is drilled to undertake tasks like this.renderedred
- yup, week long shutdown.renderedred
- and you guys have the military and resolve in place to back it up, absolutely.
- nb6
I know I'm getting ahead of myself here but I'm definitely going to suggest we get rid of the open-office concept moving forward.
- loll my company is building a new office, we're moving in end of the year... and its all openBennn
- Companies are idiotsnb
- There is research showing that the open office concept is less efficient and less productive than closed offices.nb
- Yet, no company I know of is listening to that research because the bias is toward short-term dollar amounts, not actual efficiency of output.nb
- Just get rid of offices in generalyuekit
- Never going to an office again, that's for sure! Either remote or gtfografician
- exactly, open office take less floor space = renting cheaperBennn
- Amenmonospaced
- I like open offices.inteliboy
- Bennn0
''The COVID-19 pandemic "threatens all of humanity," UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Wednesday, launching a "Global Humanitarian Response Plan" extending to December, with a call for donations up to $ 2 billion''
The objective of this plan "aims to enable us to fight the virus in the poorest countries in the world and meet the needs of the most vulnerable, including women and children, the elderly, the disabled and the chronically ill "
- That $2bn cap seems somewhat arbitrary.MrAbominable
- The UN, who's agency WHO was praising Chinese data & containment in late Jan, as millions fled Hubei. Who spent a week arguing over was an emergency or pandemic********
- nb3
The curve isn't flattening here in New York. Part of the reason for that is that most people haven't been social distancing for more than a few days. Some people still aren't. Parents are taking their kids to playgrounds, teenagers are hanging out together, people are going to visit friends one or two at a time. Parks are packed. Grocery stores are packed. Schools have only been closed for just over a week. A few days ago bars in my neighborhood were selling drinks out their front door and there was like 30 people standing around on the sidewalk in the afternoon drinking and smoking cigarettes. Might as well have been inside the bar.
The isolation we are now starting to take seriously isn't going to pay off until at least 5 to 10 days from now. Maybe as much as 21 days from now, based on what we know about the virus.
Sadly, we didn't take it seriously enough when Italy was shouting at us and thousands of NYers will die because of it.
- I can't believe that deBlasio hasn't closed playgrounds and entirely halted the MTA.MrAbominable
- problem is people thinks "eh i feel ok, iam all right, iam not sick"Bennn
- At least Cuomo is now scolding everyone.nb
- The bigger problem is people who start to moan after like 2 days of so-called "isolation!" Forget two months. If you have an apartment and the internet, stfu!nb
- We should start to see a slow down of cases in a few days, maybe a couple weeks until we're in a manageable situation.nb
- As a NYer I see people being good even at parks. We can’t just sit in a tiny apartment for days on end especially with kids. It’s impossiblemonospaced
- We have to get supplies. We have to get fresh air ffsmonospaced
- It's not at all "impossible."nb
- Yes. Yes it is impossible. Not only impossible but impractical and inhumane. Clearly you are single.monospaced
- yuekit0
What do you guys think about this?
Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study
The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.
If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.
“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.
The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.
The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.
- So it's either the end of the world, or we all have it already and it's extremely mild. Thanks scientists for clearing that up.yuekit
- I thoroughly believe this. Everyone in my family have had a hellish ongoing cold/cough since then that started with fevers.microkorg
- Yes, that's very possible. The problem is, we don't have that antibody testing yet. My actual knowledge is, clinical tests start friday in Switzerland.uan
- also this is a ft article...it's a legit argument for the 'economy'. but circumstances are different. italy got burned, spain and maybe also france.uan
- ^ well, i'm still kinda convinced i had it in december. everyone in my work had something over december/ jan my g/f is still coughing.kingsteven
- Actually my lady and I had intense two-day fevers over Christmas, too. I think. Didn't record our temperatures.nb
- mild cases get through in a couple of weeks. the problem is the severe cases, and it's weak immune system, old ppl who get it mostly.uan
- you can't know till they have that antibody test. that's the problem. meanwhile you can spread the virus without knowing you are sick.uan
- @ks - i had what I now know was 'Aussie Flu' back in late Nov - worst I've ever felt. i had fantisised that i might've been some early outlier for SARS2, but noNairn
- fantisised?Nairn
- watch this:
https://youtu.be/zIp…shapesalad - ^ yeah i guess you would have expected it to tear through nursing homes as in Seattle or to have shown as an increase in flu cases.kingsteven
- Fairly certain my family has all had it. Started feeling rough end of February. Cough and tight chest didn't hit until two weeks ago.monoboy
- No fever, bad dizzy spells. Short of breath doing menial tasks. Loss of smell and taste.monoboy
- Mild headaches on and off. The wife was first to get the cough, then my eldest. Now me. Barely touched my youngest.monoboy
- 90k people tested, but only 8k cases. How is that 1/2??? Especially as those tested were ones with symptoms. Not logical. Junk Theory.shapesalad
- Also, nasty mouth ulcer.monoboy
- If they theory where remotely true, of 90k tested you'd expect 20k+ cases, and that's being generous to the theory. Ideally 45k cases. But 8k... junkshapesalad
- We self-isolated two weeks ago once the coughs started. I went to a gig in Glasgow with at least a thousand people at the end of Feb.monoboy
- I think the UK gov knew this already and felt it wasn't worth attempting to contain it.monoboy
- Got a feeling we'll be seeing hospital cases rocket in the coming weeks.monoboy
- We all thought it was just a cold.monoboy
- Still might be. But the symptoms are very unusual.monoboy
- Me and my wife been sick in Dec with a loooong "flu", the symptoms are the same as covid, my wife did'nt recovered the taste, our daugthers been ill too...OBBTKN
- I've been 3 or 4 days in bed, one day in ER with oxigen and corticoids (I'm asthmatic) but this shortness of breath was not asthma I'm starting to suspect...OBBTKN
- They've got my x-ray pic saved, now is not time to bother the docs, but just curiousOBBTKN
- the low 90K/8K ratio: they test for the virus that is only present before-while you are sick. if you had disease already you need to test for antibody to know.uan
- The science from day 1 said most cases would be unnoticed or written off as cold or allergies. This is absolutely no surprise as it backs up the science.monospaced
- Yes but this is saying we have massively overestimated the death rate. It's completely different from what every government is planning for right now.yuekit
- Whether true or not its mind-boggling that governments are taking all these drastic actions, spending trillions etc without bothering to figure this stuff out.yuekit
- this what's panic does to a population - especially to stupid modafuckers.grafician
- They DID figure it out, and they're making sure it doesn't slam us all at once. Let's be clear: WE CANNOT STOP THIS. We can only slow it down severely.monospaced
- incredibly reading the twitter thread on this there are many folks much smarter than i explaining that although the reporting by the ft is dangerous the theorykingsteven
- has legs https://twitter.com/…kingsteven
- and it doesn't even suggest to change the response btw mono, it's just a different model of how it has spread but with far higher immunity levelskingsteven
- it's more or less just a call to develop antibody testing alongside mass testing if we're to understand the spread and contain the virus.kingsteven
- mono spaced, clearly they did not figure it out yet. I’m talking about the debate over how many people are already infected, which has implications for howyuekit
- severe the virus is and what the public policy response would be. Surely if half the country or anything close to that is already infected this is not exactlyyuekit
- a minor detail.yuekit
- SteveJobs0
1 1/2 out of 3 New Yorkers wear facial protection
- that 1/2 newyorkersted
- how is his masking protecting him???shapesalad
- It's protecting their emotional well-being.deadsperm
- it protects others when you are infected. we don't do that in switzerland because there aren't enough masks.uan
- it gives false hope that you can't get infected but these masks aren't designed to protect from inhaling this virus.sted
- pulling them on and off is also a risk and this won't stop anybody touching their nose, or eyes.sted
- Hayoth-4
The hero of the QBN elite is so terrified, he has dawned on the world his own hazmat suit. #PutinforQBNPresident
- He must run the world. Only he can save us. Long live prezidentom Ruskej federácie je Vladimir Putin!Beeswax
- 'The hero of the QBN elite'
Sorry you're so jealous, window-licker.Continuity - Did you pay for usage of that copyrighted photo Hayomook? Or did socialism kickin and you borrowed it...or was it capitalism and you stole it?utopian
- I bet this clown can’t even explain his own accusation of Putin somehow being accepted by the rational half of the political spectrummonospaced
- Do you need to be reminded that your own side was championing Putin while the stupid fuck president tried desperately to be his friend and sent him love notes?monospaced
- lol Hayoth, this is the puppet master to your incompetent pussy of a president, ergo he's your leader as well lolz._niko
- NBQ002
How the hell can China have constant numbers of 30-40 registered cases per day? Since few weeks now.
Sounds like BS.
- they tamed the virus. Long live People's Beloved Republic of China 中华人民共和国Beeswax
- Mass graves. And welding people in their houses?PhanLo
- Sounds like BS to me, too. A country with that massive a population and density can't have already brought this under control.Continuity
- they are either lying about their reported numbers, or they have a cure, or bothKrassy
- https://www.zerohedg…********
- Not all of it is densely populated.monospaced
- mono you seem to be defending China lately or maybe I'm wrong?NBQ00
- Did the low numbers start before or after they started expelling foreign journalists?i_monk
- @i_monk right after they expelled the foreign journalists.Krassy
- 30-40k maybe?grafician
- I am not, NBQ, I just want to steer clear of misinformation in a time when it can literally change the world or hurt someone.monospaced
- Also, just because it originated there and they didn't act quickly enough doesn't mean they did it intentionally. If so, you could say the same about the US.monospaced
- imbecile3
- Hi Scott. Your parents are positive.Bennn
- That 2.5% is getting the fraction of that package. What is he talking about?Beeswax
- I love either/or's..SteveJobs
- * a tiny fractionBeeswax
- "the cure can't be worse than the problem"renderedred
- Kids are expensive to mantain too... are you suggesting that we should get rid of our kids?OBBTKN
- Scott, eres un hdlgp!!!!OBBTKN
- Build the incinerators, let the old ones take one for the team. No point in them being alive anyway.
He deleted the tweet it seems.PhanLo - If murdering one single very old person would make the Dow Jones Industrial Average go up 5% in a day, would we allow it?nb
- Ramanisky20
the MAGA Bots & Trolls are out in full force.
- Krassy0
Nearly half of New York City's coronavirus cases found in adults under 45
