Dall-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion (etc) - who's playing, and with which?

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  • HAL900124

    Fuck anything presented as Art made by AI. For me it's like a game where the goal is to generate nice images, nothing more.

    These images are enjoyable, yes, but I give 0 creative or artistic credits to its creators, the machine did the work. Mastering the 'prompt' is like learning a program or coding, nothing more.

    • sure, okay.utopian
    • Convince me otherwise if you dont agreeHAL9001
    • It's true because mainstream A.I. sites/ tools don't allow even the slightest offensive/ provocative thing. And art should be provocative.NBQ00
    • a bit too reductionist maybe? "Mastering the 'prompt' is like learning a program or coding, nothing more."imbecile
    • learning a program / code is so subjective, which is where we see the talent emerge. therefore... logically... never mind, you don't get itimbecile
    • talent of prompting? Yeah sure, but the result can't be seen as creative Art, no artist actually painted or drew or photographed anythingHAL9001
    • Its generated Art by computers. The 'creator' just entered keywords.HAL9001
    • Well I’m composing 4 minute songs that sound better than anything on the radio, ai writes the lyrics, composes the music and sings it in any style I choose_niko
    • By the visual properties of it It’s interesting how quickly the basic AI generated aesthetic has become datedneverscared
    • I barely do anything other than feed in shitty prompts. Am I a recording artist now?_niko
    • Live by novelty die by novelty ...neverscared
    • I suppose I’m not doing anything more or different than any producers done ever except I work with ai and not humans._niko
    • I can even create ai generated holographic performers or an avatar to go on tour, the only thing is that groupies will be disappointed backstage or on the bus_niko
    • "I'm composing"...but—are you? You're dropping some text in a prompt, clicking 'generate', sipping coffee and waiting.
      composing=creating
      prompting≠creating
      PonyBoy
    • Let's look at it differently. You're 'ordering' something from an AI app - just like you'd order a coffee from Tim Hortons. You tell (prompt) the...PonyBoy
    • Yeah “composing” is what I meant. I don’t know a b flat from a b real but I’m able to now be a world renown (TikTok) “recording artist”_niko
    • ...little shit behind the counter that you want decaf with no cream... "I SAID NO CREAM YOU LITTLE FUCKER" (repeating yourself while prompting not necessary)...PonyBoy
    • ... the point being you're telling the kid what to get you - you are 'prompting' him / her / it /that (if you will). You're not making the coffee yourself.PonyBoy
    • The same goes with AI. You're 'asking' for something... or 'ordering' it and hoping it doesn't put cream in your coffee as 'prompted'.PonyBoy
    • Sadly I don’t think listeners or fans care, we didnt care in the early 80s when hip hop djs were sampling old funk and disco songs, or when edm was made by cpus_niko
    • Sampling is a creative 'cut and paste' that creates something new... but it's you sequencing it, adjusting it—getting it just right. AI just does it for you.PonyBoy
    • Or when all the modern fabricated shit came out, someone else writes, produces, composes, plays instruments, the artist just has to dance around like an
      Idiot
      _niko
    • So yeah it’s not art and it’s not music and it’s not creative... but will the masses care?_niko
    • yeaaah... I hear you on the 'idiot dancing around' shit but you also described people in the background that still 'create' (compose etc).PonyBoy
    • "... but will the masses care?"
      Not sure... let me prompt AI for the answer. :)
      PonyBoy
    • Adapt, evolve or go extinct.utopian
    • Masses will probably pay lots of $ for Ai generated art and AI art will probably take all the stage very soon, sadly.HAL9001
    • But I also think real art will probably gain more value, because its real.HAL9001
    • At the same time, anything 'Art' has always been subject to debate, rightHAL9001
    • Yeah Remember when Warhol caught flack for not actually producing the work himself? Didn’t really hurt him or his legacy. This could be like that but to the nth_niko
    • I try to convince my kids that the Beatles were great because they were singer songwriters, did everything themselves and were brilliant. You think they give a_niko
    • ...shit? Give them drake any day. Fml.
      We need things faster and in more abundance, to time for craft or to hone our skills. The ends justify the means.
      _niko
    • As artists we all appreciate and respect hard work and suffering for a craft. But how many of us can afford that hand- made Japanese chef knife_niko
    • Painstakingly created by an old master when that Chinese piece of shit knock off is 1/4 as good at 1/20 price?_niko
    • not all prompts are created equal. move this to "signs your getting old"imbecile
    • Of course learn it... use it... it's an amazing tool. The point is though that you're not 'creating' - you're 'prompting' and let something create for you.PonyBoy
    • Learning to write effective prompts is a cakewalk that can be understood in mere minutes. <3 It's not even comparable to 'creating'...PonyBoy
    • Creating = doing the work
      Prompting = placing an order
      PonyBoy
    • Agree. But also creating = underpaid and under appreciated designer
      Prompting = overpaid and talentless boss
      _niko
    • So I guess why not become both now that it’s possible?_niko
    • Yeah... learn and use the -tools-. Just be careful not to have that "I'm a creator" Ralphie Wiggum moment in front of someone who knows better. <3PonyBoy
    • Creating = learning, copying, output
      Prompting = learning, copying, output
      Everything is a Remix
      https://www.youtube.…
      utopian
    • Art = Remix
      Music = Remix
      Design = Remix
      Cinema = Remix
      utopian
    • Why Ego Kills Creativity
      https://www.creative…
      utopian
    • By using prompts, everyone is teaching AI while slowly making human craft obsolete.instrmntl
    • Make me a painting then if its as easy as remixing.HAL9001
    • To achieve good looking painting you need years of practice and some creative talent to make something original.HAL9001
    • I can make amazing ''art'' with AI this evening. Let me watch a couple Youtube explaining how to write good prompts.HAL9001
    • I 100% agree with PonyBoy when he say Creating = doing the work
      Prompting = placing an order
      HAL9001
    • if you think you 'created' something that you typed into a computer prompt then you might want to check your own ego (referring to 'topes article)PonyBoy
    • "Creative genius is the art of authentic self-expression. The further you are away from your true self the weaker your creativity becomes."PonyBoy
    • ^That's from that same article...
      Happy 'authentic' prompting, everyone!!
      PonyBoy
    • AI art has little more, if any, value over Kmart or IKEA art posters.ephix
    • media design is become more worthless and it will get even more about power structures than ever before.... that why most designer will wind up in healthcareneverscared
    • jobs or similar jobs...neverscared
    • How much difference in effort is there between prompting an image and taking a photograph?yuekit
    • I’m seeing it more and more in the wild. Mostly replacing stock images and illustrations in ads and on sites_niko
    • @yuekit, to take a photograph with the quality of lighting and composition AI is generating, you need years of practice and dedicationHAL9001
    • Depends on the shoot, yuekit. Products need a studio, people need proper lighting / gear. Nature or architectural shots are each unique to themselves...PonyBoy
    • ...each shoot needing the appropriate lense too. You can spend a full day setting up just to get a few shots. The 'difference in effort' can be extensive.PonyBoy
    • and you need experience and practiceHAL9001
    • But AI also potentially requires a lot of research and experimentation to actually get the results you want.yuekit
    • And you could be training your own AI model or using AI as part of a larger creative process like PhanLo has demonstrated here.yuekit
    • Versus some idiot who just shows up with their iPhone and snaps a picture "I'm a photographer" :)yuekit
    • Anyway I do get the point you guys are making but I think it's ultimately about how unique and artistic the end result is, not the tool itself.yuekit
    • Even after the 'research and experimentation' you're still just 'placing an order'. You're not physically implementing/ creating—you're merely typing keywords.PonyBoy
    • A 'unique and artistic' result is presented to you... it is not created by you. Again, it's like ordering a cup of coffee...PonyBoy
    • You know what coffee you want, how you want it made, what size, what you want in it etc... but you don't make it—You have nothing to do w/the 'creation' of it.PonyBoy
    • "talent of prompting?" yes, writing is a talent that humans have. not all skinemax porn is created equalimbecile
    • If we're talking about just rendering a stock Midjourney image then I agree it's difficult to call that your own artwork. But I think there's a spectrumyuekit
    • where depending on the scope of the project and how much effort and individuality you put into the work, it can be considered art.yuekit
    • Because art is not only about implementation, it's also about the vision and ideas behind it.yuekit
    • I understand the point you're making, yk... like a CD placing an order w/their AD / designers—they have their vision while others execute (andy warhol style)...PonyBoy
    • ... but usually said CD (or Warhol) could execute their vision w/out help.
      I admit I've met some 'visionary' CD's that couldn't execute for shit tho. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      PonyBoy
    • I was envisioning some version where you didn't just prompt an image but were involved to a greater degree. For instance I noticed some of the images onyuekit
    • YouWorkForThem now say "created with AI" but it's still the same style you'd expect from the people behind the site. I'm assuming they're not just crankingyuekit
    • these out using a tool like Midjourney but may have trained a model on their own work.yuekit
    • Have none of you naysayers noticed what PhanLo's been up to, using his own designs and images as inputs to 'prompt' content that's more his own?Nairn
    • “using his own designs and images”

      <3
      PonyBoy
    • Yes "whatabout PhanLo"...that's what I was saying too.yuekit
    • Ah, qbners, being deliberately obtuse to scratch out the belief they're somehow making a point since 2001.Nairn
    • Who's 'naysaying'? All I've pointed out is that AI is a tool. If you're just feeding text to a prompt you are not 'creating' - you are 'ordering'.PonyBoy
    • I admit I'm openly SHITTING on people calling themselves 'creators' who type shit into a prompt. Phanlo is using his own art - Ai is a 'tool' to him.PonyBoy
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    • dopeYakuZoku
    • nice
      source?
      Bluejam
    • Dude... WOW.mg33
    • So good!brandonp
    • WAY better than what they're pumping out over in Shelbyvillestoplying
    • https://www.instagra…sted
    • That dude in the blue suit looks like a really sick Al PacinoRamanisky2
    • Who is that sickly Pacino?CyBrainX
    • @Ram he looks like Harry Shearer the voice of Skinner https://i.imgur.com/… :)sted
    • So Patty and Selma are like 25-30 years older than Marge? Pretty cool otherwise.ETM
    • Also Homer reminds me of the guy from Pawn Stars, so now that association has been built in my mind.ETM
    • Smoking leads to increased production of an enzyme that breaks down collagen, so it reduces your skin's elasticity and makes it look more aged.sted
    • @sted do you have a direct link? Can't seem to find them on Instagram.

      Really nice twisted take on these ageless characters, eh?

      *thumbsup*
      ideaist
    • soo good :)Wordsworth
    • No, I don't have any, there is a gallery in the MJ Official FB group...sted
    • Midjourney did a great work!HAL9001
    • @HAL everyone thinks it's easy until they try to do it and fail miserablykalkal
    • @kalkal, i never said it was easy to write good prompts. Midjourney generated a good results here, the prompter did a good prompt.HAL9001
    • lol'ed at Nelson. HA HA!jagara
    • ^ that’s gonna be the new meme for haha.gifRamanisky2
    • so gooddbloc
    • Came here for the Al Pacino Skinnercannonball1978
  • Ramanisky220

    What a dope image

    • that's lovelyfadein11
    • aooo wowsted
    • Amazing. Surrealists would be proud of that kind of thinking and composition.microkorg
    • This is probably a derivation of that technique that went around a couple of months ago to create 'illlustrated QR Codes'. NeatNairn
    • it is...is what I tried to post in the next post, this model in sd:
      https://bit.ly/45QVx…
      uan
    • wowYakuZoku
    • niceutopian
    • Whoa! This nuts!falcadia
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  • stewart11

    It's incredible how with just one simple prompt, it was able to create precisely what I wanted to see, capturing the exact vibes I was looking for.

    "black and white pixel art of a man waiting for a bus in a dark forest"

    • What engine did you use?palimpsest
    • Midjourney.stewart
    • Not so useful for B&W like this, but C64 as a prompt keyterm seems to come up with graphics that .. well, look like C64. 8-Bit too, if I remember rightNairn
    • Looks like pixel art until you zoom indrgs
    • I would read this comic or play this game_niko
    • This is reminding me of My Neighbour Totoro conceptually.Continuity
    • Seems useful for a reference starting point, but looking closely at it, bit of a mess. Certainly unusable if you wanted to animate it unless you do lots to it.shapesalad
    • shape, the way things are going, give it a month lol_niko
    • Love it, with just a few quick edits in PSD and your done.utopian
    • Def a good reference point. But yes the AI doesnt show true solid pixels. Can run this through pixel emulator plugins. I have some great ones for AEmicrokorg
    • In Photoshop, simply use the "Pixelate > Mosaic" filter.utopian
    • https://www.paulkirc…MrAbominable
    • Again, we've wasted our lives. Creatives will be irrelevant in a few years.garbage
  • PhanLo11

    QBN refinery
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  • PhanLo7

    This is sorcery
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  • PhanLo10

    Wanted to hide the number 23 in one of those AI drawings. I was able to create a fairly overly complex looking recording studio room, like something I would draw in real life.
    I remember going to someones studio years ago and photo-collaging all the pics together and then drawing it for an album cover, took about 4 days.
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    Started with a black and white version




    Then colour




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    There were loads of out-takes but for reference, it's incredible.
    This was in Stable Diffusion

    • very cool! what AI generator did you use and what prompts?Krassy
    • So cool man, and I love that you’re creating this in your style_niko
    • ^ + 1Krassy
    • DDDDopebezoar
    • Curious why 23?monospaced
    • It's 2023 next year :-)
      I just needed something to use as a base and my tablet is at work so couldn't draw with the mouse very well.
      PhanLo
    • I use https://www.mage.spa… as tseems easiest to upload an image and the style transfer works pretty good.PhanLo
    • Initial prompt is 'incredible screenshot of an underground bunker full of old computers vintage synthesisers and machines cables and pipes, dynamic camera...PhanLo
    • ...angle, deep 3 point perspective, fish eye, dynamic scene, 8k, hd, high resolution print n-4'PhanLo
    • It creates an image like this https://i.imgur.com/…
      but I add things like 'pencil lines, aquarelle, scribbles, watercolor...' afterward for the look
      PhanLo
    • The mage space site only does one image at a time so I usually test the text in https://stablediffus… firstPhanLo
    • As you get 4 results really quickly using the most basic version.PhanLo
    • There's defo fun potential for type stuff but it does take a lot of tweaking to get the look right.PhanLo
    • Looking at things like this site https://www.krea.ai/… helps with prompts for testing styles.PhanLo
    • THIS is what it's about! Great Stuff. I see now what you meant t'other day comparing this tech to Content Aware FillNairn
    • @PhanLo Tnx for the info!Krassy
    • Also, this was the image I used as the base https://i.imgur.com/… I found having some noise in the background helped create shapes.PhanLo
    • Also the letters being slightly transparent helped add some little bits in the space.PhanLo
    • If you want to check through all the results I uploaded them here https://imgur.com/a/…PhanLo
    • I kept a window open and just re-rendered it every so often. Downloading as I workedPhanLo
    • Amazing work PhanLo! <3microkorg
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    • DamnYakuZoku
    • yeah, but those eyes are still not human :)sted
    • Yeah, but how can this be used outside of an NFT? The low resolution digital concept art, I mean.toemaas
    • @toemass you can upscale it to print qualityskinny_puppy
    • done by an 10 year old ?.neverscared
    • You can upscale and improve it using Magnific. And upscale to billboard sizes using Gigapixel.microkorg
    • billboards generally aren't very large dpi files... just saying. i could bore you to death with the detailsjonny_quest_lives
    • but mechs are usually built at 1 inch = 1 foot at between 300-40dpi at most. subway 2 sheets tend to be the highest rez OOH buyjonny_quest_lives
    • lot of OOH is digital now so a lot of builds are either 1080x1920 or 1920x1080jonny_quest_lives
    • if you stand next to it and it's not a screen it's usually 150-200dpi if it's up high over your head and viewed at a distance it's 30dpi at mostjonny_quest_lives
    • i'll go crawl back into my print dungeon now.jonny_quest_lives
    • Most of the large-scale print stuff I have done is in 300dpi, My eyes just won't accept anything below 150.sted
    • I remember the first time I had to submit materials for scaffold nets, designing at 80 dpi was my worst nightmare.sted
    • one of the (several) issues I have with this is that I can only downvote it once.face_melter
    • @jonny_quest_lives thanks, super interesting. TIL OOH Out Of Home advertising.skinny_puppy
    • ahah i knew you're going to like it :)sted
    • yup, by 'billboard' I meant f*ckin' huge resolution. With Magnific and GigaPixel you can keep enlarging with AI doing its best to upscale details.microkorg
    • I sent artwork out for a 8ft tall wall with a photo and the print shop said it wasn’t high res. I reminded them no photo that size in high res even exists.monospaced
    • wallscapes we usually build 95dpi at final scale if it's a picky client... 75dpi is usually acceptable...jonny_quest_lives
    • the problem we run into is a lot of specs are copy pasted incorrectly by sales teams or info deleted so it turns into "we need a 300dpi file"jonny_quest_lives
    • versus a 300 dpi file built at 1"=1' scale i.e.- 14'x48' billblboard file supply would be 14 inches x48inches at 300dpi for a linked tiff at 200-300mb'sjonny_quest_lives
  • microkorg5

    Midjourney + Magnific + Digital Collage
    Will be an ongoing typographic series on Solana.

    • Ace +1fadein11
    • When I say Digital Collage, I'm not doing a whole lot here. 90% is MJ + Magnific...microkorg
    • I'm just collaging/layering 2 or 3 prompt outputs and adding texture/noise and tidying anything up that stands out.microkorg
    • gorgeouswhatthefunk
    • really dig thesePhanLo
    • Very nice. But isn't the process of creating where all the fun is ?d_gitale
    • +1utopian
    • david carson just got whooped of a wave while surfin that an a.i is rippin him off....neverscared
    • Nicede4k
    • +1 d_gitalePonyBoy
    • I'm having fun.
      Thanks for the concern.
      microkorg
    • reminds me of old qbn member, antigirl's work from back in the dayBonSeff
    • true.. its using new tech but still looks from back in the day.... no innovation aesthetic wise...neverscared
    • i WANT it to look like the 90s grunge typographic aesthetic that inspired me through art college.microkorg
  • microkorg7

    I made this.
    All AI generated apart from the Kodak Frame.

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  • PhanLo9

    Had a go at the new Controlnet video thing, it's really choppy but is fairly quick. The gifs have a reduced framerate so they look a bit better than the actual output.
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/ff…
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    • its scary good. only limited by hardware atm. i've fed it choppy video with moving objects in the foreground and distant backgrounds and it tracks everythingkingsteven
    • you're using a depth map as an intermediate here and loosing resolution in the background, but directly re-synthesising its very smoothkingsteven
    • one of those things where the hardware not being able to keep up is the only thing stopping it from replacing a lot of manual processeskingsteven
    • I was impressed it did 3 seconds fairly quick. Pretty exciting times. Would be cool to see what you're making too :-)PhanLo
    • Nice.Ramanisky2
    • Love it.
      #NiceWeek
      utopian
    • How had I not upvoted this? Amazing.

      Also wanna see what @kingsteven has been up to :)
      Nairn
  • yuekit2

    Has anyone used AI in commercial work yet?

    Do the potential legal issues around generative AI prevent most agencies from using it so far?

    • Legal at our agency is still finding its way through and is recommending we don't do it for actual client work. Pitches, conceptual explo seem ok for now.bulletfactory
    • Takes too much to get something usable, so nahgrafician
    • Used it in pitches, also used some parts for murals, but still end up redrawing it in my stylePhanLo
    • working on a project now.utopian
    • Sometimes when comping I'll use chatGPT to spit out quick copy related to the subject I'm working on that looks and reads better than any lorum ipsum generator.PonyBoy
    • I'm using midjourney for tv commercial story boards.Frosty_spl
    • not 'commercial work' in that its either conceptual or for the meme of being AI but i am getting paid for it.kingsteven
    • Maybe for ideas/text content, I don't like the AI lookdrgs
    • probably on thin ice soon or soon if used commercially https://www.cnbc.com…neverscared
    • double whammy... u can´t copyright a.i work u did yourself and might break copyright by using the software afaik...neverscared
    • at least lawyers are getting rich...neverscared
    • I actually like the copyright killing aspect...reminds me of early days of sampling in music before they got too strict about it.yuekit
    • Of course it's difficult to define exactly where the line is, you don't want someone just blatantly ripping off other peoples' work.yuekit
    • But I do think as AI and other tech continue to evolve they will need to rethink some of these concepts at some point.yuekit
    • yep, AI enforcement will come down on photo-bashing first. even if the LIAON models are deemed illegal it is almost impossible to enforce its use commercial orkingsteven
    • otherwise. a lot of twitter outrage totally ignores that popular culture is one big remix. siding with corporate copyright holders that never had their backkingsteven
    • at this point in history it would be advantageous for the human race for AI to destroy all our nonsensical intellectual property lawskingsteven
    • Had 3 meetings about it being the future... agency is seeking legal counsel as well as answers as a great deal of assets we repurpose don't belong to us.jonny_quest_lives
    • So client provides us their ip we upload it to a private midjourney account... where does that training go is midjourney just absorbing it borg likejonny_quest_lives
    • Into their model? If so our client wouldn't sign off on a workflow like that... currently just sort of waiting for legal ambiguity to settle.jonny_quest_lives
    • I mean currently it's sort a baked in at web only outputs as well so jury as well agencies are wondering if this compute even scales at print outputs or if itjonny_quest_lives
    • Like is it hardware locked at web output for 5 to 6 years until a graphics leap occursjonny_quest_lives
    • I've "made" 2 brochure covers at clients request. They upscale to print well depending on style/subject mattersausages
    • I'd never put this work in a folio and claim as my own - that seems a tad disingenuoussausages
    • @sausages thinking poster wall graphics with high client expectations 24x36 @300 dpi at minimum our clients nitpick the weirdest shit toojonny_quest_lives
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  • microkorg5

    A fruit of my experiments with tune.

    • VERY likely I'm going to get my head down and work on a series of these to sell on FND and offer a book/magazine.microkorg
    • very coolKrassy
    • really dig it!PhanLo
    • niceutopian
    • Very niceskinny_puppy
    • how´s the prompt for this ?neverscared
    • It's actually two VERY simple prompts, it's the 'tune" code that does most of the work. A few days of graft went into creating the 'tune'microkorg
    • One for the imagery, one for the typography. Brought together in Photoshop.microkorg
    • i guess all prompts are very simple as compared to minimal which is the holy grail in design as everybody knows.neverscared
    • simpleton vs. bauhausneverscared
    • tune? I am so lostautoflavour
    • super dope thoautoflavour
    • Auto, so with tune you craft a prompt but instead of 'imagine' you use 'tune' it then gives you a link and takes you to a webpage...microkorg
    • ..with multiple art style outputs of that prompt. you select the styles you like most. the combination of styles you choose creates a code. you add that codemicrokorg
    • to the end of any future prompts which automatically gives that style without having to write a whole prompt. its like a style shortcut ;)microkorg
    • you can tune from text prompts and example images you upload.microkorg
    • Hopefully it wont be long before they offer a 'learn' function where you can feed it a dataset of images and it can learn the style.microkorg
  • PhanLo8

    Phan Lo
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  • PhanLo9

    Made a verion of my mate using CSM
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  • PhanLo3