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- BonSeff5
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ME: jordan peterson sucks. he just says dumb shit like "the vagina is an energy vacuum"
JP SUPERFAN: you're taking him out of context. what's the quote in context
[we go to the tape]
JORDAN PETERSON: "the vagina is an energy vacuum [10 mins of indecipherable sobbing]"
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Is there a problem between men and women in the workplace? Maybe.
Is it the women? Maybe.
Is it the men? No.
So it's the women?
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying there's a problem, and it's not the men, and I'm too chicken shit to stand by my own beliefs.
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JPFAN: This 15min video is out of context! You have to watch the full hour!
JPFAN: This hour is out of context! You have to watch his 3hr presentation!
JPFAN: TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT you have to watch the full series!
JPFAN: YOU CAN'T JUDGE HIM BASED ON EVERYTHING HE HAS SAID EVER
- Extraordinary, both inaccurate AND unfunny. The IDW must be doing something right to garner such ‘sophisticated’ ad hominem arguments. D+, could do better.Morning_star
- LOLsoundofreason
- https://i.ytimg.com/…Gnash
- Morning, everyone knows ad-hominem is the pinnacle of debate, you cum-fluted twanger :)PeterPancake
- Indeed, you rancid salt-lick. To hear it from the pustulated mouth of the worlds most renowned horse rapist is praise indeed. :)Morning_star
- I asked for consent and she said "neigh".PeterPancake
- Bareback. Bridle, Dismount. Harness. Ride. Groom....so many places to go.Morning_star
- It could really run and run. Best to put this to bed now - if only to remain stable.PeterPancake
- it's certainly pasture bedtimeGnash
- I shudda farmed this out to another, less sensitive herd.BonSeff
- lolSalarrue
- But hay, it is what it is.BonSeff
- The western world has become far too brittle when a softly spoken Canadian professor who says pretty ordinary things is the point of so much contention.inteliboy
- ^ the church of Social Justice zealots will come for you when you blaspheme using the words of the oppressor... or whateverArchitectofFate
- yeah. Its his very well educated opinion. He's worked hard in his life, read (it seems) extensively and he is brought onto hour plus shows to be attacked.mugwart
- why cant we have opinions. We really seem to be pushed to conform to one (very limiting) opinion.mugwart
- people laugh and attack different thinkers but it was different thinkers that brought us to where we are in culture.mugwart
- If Peterson's ideas are what will bring progress to our culture I consciously choose to be on the wrong side of history.soundofreason
- I'm not against the existence of such ideas or them being posted here. Just don't expect them to be taken seriously by everybody.soundofreason
- I enjoy them on QBN as much as I enjoyed docpoz. Make of that what you will.soundofreason
- Out of interest Sound, could you summarise your understanding of his ideas? because i don't think you have a clue what he thinks.Morning_star
- @Morning_star
I might take the time to summarise my understand in the future. For now I would like to point on how much you reinforce the joke in this post.soundofreason - In my best Cathy Newman impression:
Are you saying that the reason I don't buy into his ideas is because I am uncapable of understanding them?soundofreason - Nope. I'm saying that he and the others have such a wide variety of positions it would be impossible to agree with all of them BUT to dismiss his position, as..Morning_star
- ...a whole is difficult to understand. The IDW is about the exploration of rational ideas and discussion. The IDW isn't one idea.Morning_star
- I never said it was one idea, either for Peterson or the rest of the crew.
I always used the plural: ideas.soundofreason - I also said that I wasn't against the existence of those ideas or them being posted (read discussed).soundofreason
- And I specifically to Peterson, not the rest of the crew. You came to conclusion that I didn't support his ideas because I didn't have a clue of what they were.soundofreason
- Suggesting that if I were to properly understand his ideas I would have nothing to say against them.soundofreason
- This goes against your "exploration of rational ideas and discussion" comment.soundofreason
- The idea that you can never summarize or read into the context behind someone's views is one of the silliest aspects of the "IDW" -- especially since they don'tyuekit
- follow the same rule themselves when it comes to other people.yuekit
- @Sound, You said..."If Peterson's ideas are what will bring progress to our culture I consciously choose to be on the wrong side of history".. to me that...Morning_star
- ..suggests that you've dismissed the ideas as a whole. Which is why i thought you'd be able to summarise your position.Morning_star
- @yuekit - The point i was trying to make is that, as we've seen with Harris/Peterson, they hold fundamentally apposing positions and there for sweeping dismisalMorning_star
- ...of the IDW's Ideas is just not possible because they don't agree.Morning_star
- There are certainly key views that they share. Against political correctness, the academic left etc. Regardless soundofreason was talking about Peterson.yuekit
- BTW -- modern feminism is also a broad movement with a wide range of views. Better stop critiquing them since you can't possibly summarize it all :)yuekit
- Peterson might have great ideas about brushing one's teeth but I choose to dismiss him as a whole based on the ideas he is known for.soundofreason
- I pay more attention to the interests he serves than the one's he cleverly chooses to be identified with.soundofreason
- His reactionary views, his hyper-focus on individualism only serve the ruling class. His ideas go against the people that want to stand up against injustice.soundofreason
- QBN is know for their misunderstanding of words. Just in case:
https://en.wikipedia…soundofreason - @yuekit
Great point on that last comment!
You have no clue, man.soundofreason - Just a brief bit of research reveals that Feminism and all it's varying facets are well defined and can be summarised to one sentence. You keep suggesting...Morning_star
- ...that the IDW and Peterson etc have a common ideology that could be summarised in a similar way. Have a look on wiki and see what it says about the IDW.Morning_star
- If you dig a bit deeper than Googling a Wikipedia article (or even if you do) I think you'll find that feminism isn't some monolithic thing.yuekit
- Nor is post-modernism for that matter. That's a very complex movement with a lot of different, often contradictory ideas.yuekit
- As opposed to, you know, a few middle aged guys on a podcast :) My point is not that you can't summarize the key tenants of a movement BTW.yuekit
- But it's certainly easier to summarize one guy's views (i.e. Peterson's in this case) than those of dozens or hundreds of academics and philosophers.yuekit
- I get it Yuekit. I understand your point completely. It's (as you point out) a matter of resolution. For instance 'Feminism = Illogical SJW Sheep' is not...Morning_star
- ...a helpful definition for anyone. In the same way, the 'comedy' in this post comes from a similar surface level analysis.Morning_star
- Morningstar -- I think that's fair. But part of my point is that JP and his pals are themselves constantly oversimplifying and caricaturing ideas such asyuekit
- post-modernism, Marxism/ socialism, feminism, etc. In particular lots of young people now equate post-modernism with identity politics which is a completelyyuekit
- reductionist view of a movement that created a lot of the great art/ music/ design of the past half century.yuekit
- religion has also motivated the creation of millennia worth of great art, music, etc. and many young people now a completely reduction view it as well.Gnash
- now *have* a...Gnash
- criticism of an ideology is always considered to be a misunderstanding of that ideology by those who adhere to it's dogmaGnash
- Yeah but I think Peterson's demonization of these terms actually does contribute to widespread misunderstanding.yuekit
- It's a classic conservative tendency, particularly in the U.S. to rant against the evils of scary new-fangled ideas like "post-modernism" without actuallyyuekit
- understanding what they are. I mean are we gonna go back to modernism? Should we discourage people from reading someone like Vonnegut because he's post-modern?yuekit
- @Morning_star
https://discord.gg/6…soundofreason - @YK i would think the vast majority of vonneguts readers have no idea about the post-modernist attributes of some of his books.Gnash
- I think that would apply to most post-modern art - in any form.Gnash
- so most people would just experience art at face value and the either connect or not.Gnash
- But you're right that they may avoid reading baudrillard's catalogue, or books about post-modernism or critical theoryGnash
- Gnash,
You too grown for this shit.soundofreason - Or perhaps they should simply avoid Peterson's paranoid, "commies are coming to get us" type rants on the topic instead and learn the actual history.yuekit
- well, he has spent most of his career studying the psychology oppressive regimes. when your tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nailGnash
- one could argue that there is also an irrational tendency to see 'literal nazis' around every corner.Gnash
- It's a trope that as far as I can tell he simply borrowed from earlier American fringe conservatives.yuekit