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- jjoeth6
Debate all you want, but watch this first...
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- jjoeth60
Dang. can't embed.
Here's the link.- Good point, made annoyingly.detritus
- Good but a little too long.al_la
- This is the most level headed opinion on this subject that i have ever heard. i needed this.locustsloth
- kelpie0
I don't have the heart, does someone want to do the honours?
- kelpie0
Dang. fail-post failure irony hole.
self destruct program activated
- skt0
- lowimpakt0
the video is basically the precautionary principle.
it's the base of european environmental policy.
although the video is probably more digestable that the communication on the precautionary principle from 2000
- detritus0
jjoeth6, you should appreciate that most people on this blog are sympathetic to your cause, but there's not much that can be added on a Friday afternoon that's really going to add to the debate.
Besides, it's very easy to throw out a YouTube and say 'debate' - if you're really interested, perhaps you could start off by saying something? Anything, in fact.
- moth0
Everyone wants to us to attend to their fucking cause. It's not that we don't want to discuss it, it's that it's been discussed 200 times already and the outcome is always the same. You'll be destroyed by us, and you'll probably leave and never come back. Furthermore - i'm too busy worrying about starving dogs on someone else's behalf who posted here before you did. In otherwords - I'm all out of charity - I only have so many hours in the day, and there's none left for you or the environment.
- detritus0
For a start - I'd love to hear what you yourself do? It appears to me that the vast majority of people pay lip-service to do 'something about it', but - beyond replacing the occasional light bulb and recycling the weekend's papers - don't actually do anything.
Have you given up on flying? Cut down on your car use? Cut out a percentage of your weekly showers or baths? Stopped eating beef?
Written your local representative, demanding stern action? Made sure your house is in order?I'm saddened by how little is done - by me, more than anyone. I think about this shit constantly, and there's lots I have done, but nontheless, I've already flown abroad twice this year, and know I will do so again in a few months.
We're pathetic. All of us.
- jjoeth60
I just finished having a week-long email debate with a conservative friend who refuses to believe we should do anything about it simply because "science has been wrong before." I know there are more people like that out there, so I just wanted to share this video because I thought it was a really intelligent way to look at the situation. I'm relieved to see the people here are more open-minded.
moth, I know causes are exhausting. I'd just like to reiterate what the video guy says... this one is WAY bigger than anything else out there.
detritus, in fact I have made several lifestyle changes in the last few years. I bike to work. I only fly about once a year (within the country). I've cut down on water usage. I have stopped eating beef. At work, I look for better paper choices and ways to use less paper. Basically, there is a new voice in the back of my mind that always reminds me to consider my environmental impact. None of us are perfect and we never will be, but I'm glad you and others are finding that voice. Hopefully, it will continue to spread.
- oozie0
i think certain industries and businesses should be pressured more than induviduals to change considering we as 'consumers' can only make the choices that are given to us. There is no such thing as eco friendly flying, why? cuz no one will be paid to make an eco friendly plane. We could have been buying cheap hyrics and full electronic cars 40 years ago, but that never happened why? cuz industry and wallstreet were riding the oil/gas gravy train. the list goes on and on, coal? do I have a choice? no
- Agreed, but that pressure comes from individuals who demand greener solutions.jjoeth6
- moth0
"this one is WAY bigger than anything else out there."
No it's not.
- skt0
asteroids or jupiter or the sun will fuck us up sooner or later anyway.
*burns coal.
- kelpie0
pfft. the muslims will get us and rape all our women far before jupiter brings the pain. Every norwiegian designer knows that.
- kelpie0
btw Bob, I'd like to play my non-racist middle class disclaimer card right about now...
- paraselene0
ah, that's the beauty of moth, see. he is magically impervious to middle-class guilt. it's a lovely thing to see.