Religulous
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- mikotondria30
@gramme
It utterly depends on what you mean by tangible in your response.
You 'have faith' that there exist things that leave no mark or their existence on the world, yet are continuous in their potential to affect the real world.. This is somewhat of a word game - existence can and in everday usage is, defined as something having qualities or affecting such that can be perceived..
Your claim that your religious ideas or principles are true (ie, that there is an object, imperceptible and immeasurable called god that created the universe, hears your thoughts and sees your actions, and intervenes in the world at hir discretion) is a statement about Existence. If your god did not intervene in the world you would not know of him - just because we cannot perceive him now, you say, there IS evidence of his existence all around us, AND in the tales of his intercession in the physical world in the Bible..
I say, both that your citing of these effects reduces your 'faith' to a hypothesis, basing it upon this 'evidence', and also that this hypothesis is unproven, given that the true causes for all the evidence shown by religious people of their gods' existence and actions in the world are, one by one, shown to have a scientific, logical basis.
There's very little left that you can point to and claim that god did it, and therefore he exists and therefore you're going to heaven and we should all stop kissing other men/eating this/thinking that, and it's shrinking all the time.