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    • Agnosticism FTW.detritus
    • Wow can't argue with that #NAILEDITyuekit
    • wat? it's up to people who believe it exist to provide proof.
      fuck it. if you can't proof ManBearPig doesn't exist. then it exist.      pango
    • I dont see how you can expect others to be responsible for proof of belief but dismiss your own responsibility.yurimon
    • Alienism?Ianbolton
    • The fact simply remains that there is no evidence God exists except in people's faith. That is their burden to prove. Atheists are keeping it simple.monospaced
    • No need to disprove something if there's no evidence for it existing in the first place.monospaced
    • Agree with mono. Do you need proof that you don't have a leprechaun sitting on your shoulder?set
    • Unless they are trying to proselytise you than they hav no reason to prove anything to you. Faith isn't based on burden of proof, this isn't a courtroom.gilgamush
    • You can tell me that you worship leprechauns. what right does any of us have to try to undermine something somebody draws comfort and strength from. Get over yOgilgamush
    • Yourselfgilgamush
    • you're right. maybe folks draw comfort and strength from atheism. what right does yuri have trying to undermine that?scarabin
    • I don't agree that atheists are keeping it simple though. They're making a thing out of it. Keeping it simple is the rest of us that simply say...set
    • I don't agree that atheists are keeping it simple though. They're making a thing out of it. Keeping it simple is the rest of us that simply say...set
    • "who knows"set
    • how does it make sense to find strength in the absence of something. find strength in logic and rationalism. ok. but there has been a false dichotomy betweengilgamush
    • If you are not 100% sure god doesn't exist you are not an atheist but rather an agnostic (as detritus stated earlier). Y'alls arguing over logical fallacies.ORAZAL
    • faith and reason. these two things are apples and oranges.i for one think it's hogwash, the forces of math are the higher power. omnipotent?check. infallable?gilgamush
    • check. but if somebody else holds a spaghetti monster in high regard, be happy for them and their ability to feel in their heart that greater purposegilgamush
    • it's not about the absence of something, it's about having a system of thought, a frameworkscarabin
    • i'm not atheist either, but yuri's post is proselytizing his views to others, which you vilifiedscarabin
    • i would say that participating in this thread is opting in to a conversation in which beliefs are placed under scrutiny.scarabin
    • Athiesm vs Theism = lulz.nb
    • Yuri, prove to me that a tiny unicorn isn't flying around Neptune this exact moment. You can't do it? Ok, then a tiny unicorn is flying around Neptune.iCanHazQBN
    • The tiny unicorn is my God. If you think that notion stupid, I don't care. I believe it's true because you can't disprove it.iCanHazQBN
    • Now I'll try to push my unicorn belief onto others and maybe kill in the name of it.iCanHazQBN
    • ^ As ridiculous as you might see this.. it's equally as ridiculous as how atheists see all religions.iCanHazQBN
    • can't believe people thinks that there really are a God. We're all flesh and bones and we're not more important than a plant.Ben99
    • I think prob by logic alone atheism would fall to the bottom of the barrel behind other religions. I think agnostics more logical in their approach inyurimon
    • in my opinion. for the simple fact of trying to claim proof. atheism is strong on proof doesnt exist. yet it cant define what proof would look like.yurimon
    • could proof be unlocking the pattern of nature in how it creates? is pattern of nature proof.?yurimon
    • prob pattern of nature and life creation alone prob raises the statistic probability of a creator by a good amount. but not in the way atheism would interpretyurimon
    • There is a video of a hot ass getting shot with gummi bears and you're arguing here over some god..mekk
    • it's in slow motion dude!mekk
    • nobody is arguing. this is a conversation about faulty atheist logic.yurimon
    • gummi bears n ass are a dime a dozen. get over it.yurimon
    • Saying that "because there are patterns in nature, then god exists" is like saying "because there are rainbows, then my magic unicorn exists."iCanHazQBN
    • I dont know how you make these analogies. patterns in nature is similar to observation. for example you havent met your great great great grand father from 200yurimon
    • years ago but nobody claims he doesnt exist. it would be silly for people to argue that you just showed up from nowhere or a unicorn shat you out of its bongyurimon
    • hole. nah sayin?yurimon
    • Well years ago you could get killed saying he doesn't exist.pango
    • pango. thats not the discussion here. stay on point. stalins or maos killed lots.yurimon
    • I haven't met my grandpa from 200 years ago, but I know he existed because we have an understanding of the results of human mating.iCanHazQBN
    • There's lots of evidence to back up the idea that when humans mate, they create more humans. Meanwhile, there's simply nothing to suggest that some overlordiCanHazQBN
    • created us and is watching us, and is judging us.iCanHazQBN
    • The audacity of a god is ridiculous. He creates us (flawed), then gets mad and sends us to hell when we fuck up. He's getting angry at his own creation.iCanHazQBN
    • What a joke of a premise. And what a waste of time believing in something(one) so incredibly juvenile and petty.iCanHazQBN
    • doesnt mean its in the form you say it is. i'm not mentioning the bible here you bible thumper.yurimon
    • means creation comes from something as a chain or link.yurimon
    • It's akin to a little boy putting various insects into a glass box, and sitting back and watching them in some sick little game. We are god's experiment???iCanHazQBN
    • i dont see that at all. it merly is a chain of creation going back to an original event that had another event to create it. whether its a force or conciousnesyurimon
    • you see the link of creation in nature. what is the probability that it stops at some point where no one created something..yurimon
    • Before the Big Bang? That's the point where atheists and scientists might say "We don't know yet, but we are working on it".iCanHazQBN
    • ...And where religious people pretend to know it all (if they even acknowledge the big bang at all).iCanHazQBN
    • And where is this rule you made up that everything has to come from something?? That's cute.iCanHazQBN
    • So if your god exists, and everything has to have a creator, then there must be a god that created the god you worship... and so on into infinity.iCanHazQBN
    • ^ That's why the notion of everything having to be created by something falls flat.iCanHazQBN
    • i dont think the creation of this reality really has to do with religion. atheism n religion are to me the same construct of bullshit.yurimon
    • Atheism is simply not believing in gods. It is the default, the zero.iCanHazQBN
    • just because lets say a force created physical reality doesnt mean it has human form. we are talking probability strictly from observation of the chain of creatyurimon
    • ionyurimon
    • You are an atheist yourself. An atheist to all of the other gods (except the one you believe in).iCanHazQBN
    • I'm an atheist, just like you, except I believe in just ONE less god than you do.iCanHazQBN
    • Atheism is a religion like "off" is a television channel.monospaced
    • Worry less about judeo Christian God and worry more about a higher power. Recognize that you are not in control of everything and that there are in fact powersgilgamush
    • Bigger than you that controlled you. Or math sciencegilgamush
    • Its a religion. agnostics are more atheist then you. something created by something then everything created by no one. yeah big logical loop whole right there.yurimon
    • It is egocentric beyond fathom to propose that God's conciousness is similar to our own. Stop propping that up as some counterpoint to spirituality.gilgamush
    • its belief even if you claim absence of one. if you said you have no mind then i would believe the "off is a television channel" fallacy.yurimon
    • your mind is full of beliefs n thoughts. belief in a god or belief there is non. its still takes up the same space. its not off like a channel its on but a difyurimon
    • channelyurimon
    • Athiesm is a reaction to having a bad experience with organized religion. It is stating an absence of something, therefore it's not something in of itself, so ngilgamush
    • Athiesm is a reaction to having a bad experience with organized religion. It is stating an absence of something, therefore it's not something in of itselfgilgamush
    • I agree to some extent. I dont blame because most people get the exoteric version, plus religion in most part is corrupted. atheism a corrupted idea also.yurimon
    • I've been to atheist events. seems these people are angry fckrz.yurimon
    • My point being that you can't go around demanding that people provide proof in matters of theology. Not condusive to a productive dialougegilgamush
    • Humans need to feel subordinate to something. Atheists experience stress and anger at the chaos and ignore the obvious order of things. Find your higher power.gilgamush
    • Doesn't have to be a father figure sadistic dude with a beard in the clouds neither.gilgamush
    • I dont think i have that need though.yurimon
    • I know you don't. Those last few comments weren't directed at you in particulargilgamush
    • More directed at mono and icanhazgilgamush
    • I know mono is left brain for sure. how he works in the art field beats me. fo shizle.yurimon
    • Atheism is NOT a reaction to a bad religious experience. That's just retarded. Everyone's born atheist until they are taught otherwise.monospaced
    • One does not become Christian without meeting one. Or Hindu, or Buddhist. But atheism is a true default, like it or not.monospaced
    • Atheists embrace the natural order of things more than any other group, and humans don't have to be subordinate to another poiwer. That makes no sense.monospaced
    • And yes, I can demand proof, simply because the claims that god exists, or prayer works, are very widespread, but have never been backed up.monospaced
    • you can demand doesnt make you smart to. I can jump off a bridge to. but its not common sense n i wont do it.yurimon
    • just because me me me demands doesnt make align with truth. sounds childish. Some how you are still subordinate. let me guess taxes n money is your god likeyurimon
    • everyone elses.yurimon
    • Mono clearly has never had a kid. Children find sentiment and meaning in everthing. They get jaded and reactionary later in life. Athiesm is a reaction.gilgamush
    • Tell me what you believe not what you don't believegilgamush
    • Mono can't differentiate between organized religion and spirituality. Error error does not computegilgamush
    • Your a good kid mono, not out to disparage you, I'm more interested in what it is you do believe you in because athiesm isn't a belief, its a statement of disbegilgamush
    • Disbeliefgilgamush
    • attempt to disbelief, via a belief.yurimon
    • I certainly can differentiate, and I am spiritual in my own way, trust me. I stand in awe of the universe, which I believe came about naturally, on its ownmonospaced
    • But I can guarantee my atheism is not a reaction to religion, and there are millions of atheists that would say the same. Most come to it in deep realization.monospaced
    • I understand children find sentiment and awe in everything, but unless you tell them it's "god," that would not be the default for them. They also grow up.monospaced
    • I am going to my spiritual place this weekend, with family. Connecting with nature is my kneeling at the alter, it is my connection with something greater.monospaced
    • and it's all real, here, non-judging, all giveth and taketh in a constant game of natural equilibrium, and we are merely a tiny piece of a huge thingmonospaced
    • And I'm an atheist. I hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from, gilgamush and yurimon.monospaced
    • What I'm explaining and experience requires no belief, from my point of view, but that does not mean my spirituality is less than anyone else'smonospaced
    • my atheism it hoyts... listen why dont prove how smart you really are by helping my qbn copy questine.yurimon
    • :Pyurimon
    • Huh? Mono, I can't help but pick up on your hang up on the big g word. What's the difference between you're perception of the greater meaning and thegilgamush
    • Greater power that represents that bigger picture brogilgamush
    • whats the diff?! Mine includes no god ! Lol. Really?monospaced
    • 100+ notes people, wtfpinkfloyd
    • Let all come together help monos healing of his circumstantial beliefyurimon
    • atheism is farther from circumstantial than any religion that existsmonospaced
    • Agnosticism is the only natural resting place for the intelligent mind.nb
    • Well aren't you arrogantgilgamush
    • its easier to agree with agnosticism from the point of logic that atheist are attempting to use in attempt to justify their stance.yurimon
    • I agree. It's a less reactionary stance. More of a statement of belief than a statement of disbeliefgilgamush
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