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    A vaccine prevents me from getting ill, but it does not stop me from infecting others. Why is it your moral duty to take the vaccine "to protect others"? You're only protecting myself.
    So why the moral pressure?

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    • It doesn't stop anything. You can still get ill and infect others.

      Much like when your mom stopped drinking during pregnancy.      Projectile
    • ...it reduced the chances of brain damage, but there were no guaranteesProjectile
    • vaccines block the transmission, that is the moral duty. 30%+ freeloading on herd immunity (if it is even achieved). i don't want those people in my life.kingsteven
    • Vaccine does NOT block transmission.monospaced
    • *yourselfdrgs
    • if a vaccine prevents infection and prevents disease it blocks transmissionkingsteven
    • I think the moral take on it is to prevent health system from collapse. And protect the ones who can't get vaccines because of allergies or other illness.uan
    • but the 'moral duty talk' is also part of the communication campaign used to convince more people to help in a community effort to get this thing under control.uan
    • vaccinated = gets covid, lasts 7 days, stays at home. Unvaccinated, gets covid, lasts 21 days, 14 days in hospital, puts health workers lives at risk = big A hoshapesalad
    • Don't be a pussy get vaccinated, everyone, quick. The longer you drag it out, the more chance a 'super' variant has time to mutate out.shapesalad
    • @kingsteven, you are dead wrong.Morning_star
    • What is it I keep hearing vaccines dont help with transmission, what is the truthdrgs
    • The vaccines do NOT block transmission. They do not prevent infection. They never claimed to.monospaced
    • They are not like traditional vaccines. These only keep you from getting deathly ill. That's why it's so important to get it.monospaced
    • To protect others from having to take care of your selfish assnb
    • @drgs, from day 1 they've been consistent that the covid vaccines are effective against the virus turning into a bad infection, and not much elsemonospaced
    • @drgs The vaccine is a bit like a personal army. It's able to protect you whilst fight the Covid invaders. The stronger your army the less damage the invaders..Morning_star
    • ...do. The same Covid invaders attacking you will also attack other people and the damage to that person will depend how strong their army is. Vaccine gives...Morning_star
    • ...you a stronger personal army.Morning_star
    • Lol Projectile. I’m deadnoRGB
    • the idea of vaccines blocking transmission is fundamental, it can't be proven in trials because it is mostly the direct effect of the prevention ofkingsteven
    • infection and disease in society but has been proven multiple times with all the major covid vaccines, often outperforming expectations...kingsteven
    • fairly good explanation based on the initial studies of pfizer roll out in isreal: https://www.nature.c…kingsteven
    • it wasn't until i read the reports in to reduction of transmissibility from AZ vax that i decided to get it myself. just look at the drop in cases in countrieskingsteven
    • >2/3 vaxxed and largely reopened, UK, Netherlands etc. Vaccines workkingsteven
    • Over longer time periods, like after 1 year that you see an effect on transmission?drgs
    • no in the same timeframe individual protection the effect on transmissibility can be observed in a demographickingsteven
    • kingsteven, for the last time, these vaccines do not stop transmission, and this has been common knowledge for a yearmonospaced
    • they can REDUCE it (less coughing, etc) but they don't stop itmonospaced
    • I think the point kingsteven is making is that they prevent getting Covid, which in turn prevents you from transmitting it.bogue
    • it's rare for someone with a vaccine to test positive for Covid.. which is why they are calling them "breakthrough" cases.bogue
    • And yes Mono, the vaccines are also even more effective at preventing serious cases of covid, and even more effective at preventing death.bogue
    • @mono vaccines provide protection against infection AND protection against severe illness, 'blocking' transmission is the statistical term i've seen used tokingsteven
    • describe an instance of an individual not passing on the virus (of course is dependent on the amount of protection against infection and illness a vax provides)kingsteven
    • i didn't say stop for a reason, but could have probably explained it betterkingsteven
    • They don't prevent you from getting covid, and don't prevent transmission. This might be true of other vaccines, but not these ones. Sorrymonospaced
    • You can be vaccinated, contract COVID, pass it on, and never know. This is common knowledge. It's been talked about for a long time.monospaced
    • These vaccines just make sure that it doesn't turn into a trip to the hospital, and at that they're 90%+ effective.monospaced
    • those are the parameters by which the efficacy of vaccines is assessed mono, in the UK its been shown this week vaxxed are 3 times less likely to test positivekingsteven
    • https://www.gov.uk/g…kingsteven
    • i mentioned before, the trials can only test for infection. the effect on transmission is observed in the wild, but its the result of individuals getting vaxxedkingsteven
    • those are not the paramaters for efficacy of THESE vaccines. You keep talking about vaccines as if they're all the same.monospaced
    • The trials can test for more than infection. They tested for if it turned into a deadly disease in this case.monospaced
    • You seem convinced that it is limited. Where are you reading this?monospaced
    • Even your link shows that it's less likely, but it doesn't prevent. That's what everyone is saying.monospaced
    • you were claiming it doesn't prevent infection, i'm not claiming it prevents all infection, it prevents 75% if that study is to be believed.kingsteven
    • you cant determine prevention or transmissibility in a trial, only if someone is infected (asymptomatically or seriously) it doesn't mean they dont preventkingsteven
    • but the studies coming out now are very positive, obviously preventing infection is a far bigger deal than symptoms in blocking transmissionkingsteven
    • 50-60% not 75%kingsteven
    • my only claim here is that they never claimed to prevent transmission entirely :) I've heard it's lower than 50% alsomonospaced
    • Ahh, yeah I wasn't sure were you were coming from there but yeah, it's unfortunate that even with this protection herd immunity could require 85%+ vaxxedkingsteven
    • Can't see us being in any better position in a year, given how badly we've fucked up the last 2. Could be a different story without the 'ill ait and see' peoplekingsteven
    • 'I'll wait and see' ffs. Don't even mind the antivaxxers as much as those doomerskingsteven
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