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    just seen this posted on linkedin:

    I've seen others, more or less the same story with the relatives and families not believing the war

    kinda a similar situation when young people in the US lost relatives to trump and qanon and all that crap - but with far worse consequences this time...as Vlad "counts" on these seniors for his "support" justifying the invasion back home

    It all comes down to non-stop state propaganda delivered to low-iq, low income population turned into slaves in a few decades

    What would you do if you were in this woman's shoes?

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    • If you can get the people to believe in god, you can get them to believe anything._niko
    • The main capital of any country is free flow of information and people who can navigate in itdrgs
    • Diana's uncle's are Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump. And her brother in-law is Hayomook.utopian
    • The thing is, this kind of people are also present in the Western world, and highly susceptible to disinfo
      Hungary, Poland, Austria say hi      grafician
    • Unfortunately these people deserve the effects of the sanctions to hit them hard until they maybe finally realize what's going on.NBQ00
    • utopian, that doesn't make sense.NBQ00
    • @NBQ After all I've read and watched lately, I'm more and more confident they will not change their positions and go against Vladgrafician
    • What we are witnessing now in Russia is the closest we can experience the '1984' book premises, but irlgrafician
    • And what premises are those Aristotle?Brabo_Brabo
    • It's kinda like what China and Trump have been doing, now Russia. The more you try to convince them of the reality the more it feeds into their fake narrative.shapesalad
    • 'cuz they haven't experienced real personal consequences yet and even so, they could not recognise a need to change on a personal level - basically dumb slavesgrafician
    • Also there's the fear of going against the narrative - as it can get your arrested etc.shapesalad
    • Yes those pesky personal consequences. Easier to support anything the dictator says when it doesn't concerns you direct instead of bothering to change things.grafician
    • So yeah Mother Russia, sure, continue to support Vlad, stay home and watch propaganda. Meanwhile you just lost your sons in a muddy field somewhere...grafician
    • < in this case Mother Russia lost a daughter, as probably Diana won't ever return...grafician
    • It's baked in the cake, really. We can only judge based on the information available to us. If you never hear an opposing viewpoint, you assume there isn't one.monNom
    • This is why there is virtual unanimity in western reporting about the conflict. Propaganda requires elimination of alternate viewpoints.monNom
    • You can even see it in the arts and science. Rarely is there a truly creative idea. most often, we are copying and modifying ideas we see out there....monNom
    • ...If those ideas aren't accessible, the chances of you coming to them on your own are pretty slim.monNom
    • Also why cults separate you from your family/friends. Once you lose those anchors, you are way more suggestable.monNom
    • Sorry, "aren't accessible"?!
      Russia banned Fb & Insta but kept whatsapp, you can literally write to any russian right now. Compared to North Korea...      grafician
    • Even in North Korea they smuggle movies, music, books on fucking flash drives!

      There is no excuse of "only information available" in 2022!      grafician
    • There is only personal choice - some leave and make a better life, some stay and remain slaves. Both are responsible for their choices.grafician
    • Ppl just want freedom without responsibility. That's never gonna happen and we have the wars to prove it...grafician
    • "This is why there is virtual unanimity in western reporting about the conflict." Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of history...grafician
    • And re: different opinions and arguments, sure, I'm all for it, are there any?
      These days it seems there are only left-Karens and Brabo & team      grafician
    • Very hard to remain centered with all the lunatics on both sides...grafician
    • I didn't mean to imply I'm on the russian side of this. It's just how information warfare works. "Deny the enemy territory in the information space."monNom
    • So it's not unusual that in Russia they have a different worldview. They've been taught to think that way since grade-school.monNom
    • You'd have as much chance of convincing a Christian that jesus doesn't exist.monNom
    • Isn't there a book 'getting to yes', or art of negotiation - you've got ask them questions that get them on yourside, make them think they came up with the ideashapesalad
    • rather than just saying you are wrong it's this and that. That just flares up the defence mechanism.shapesalad
    • I think you have to start asking whether Trump was actually good at this stuff or whether he was simply copying Putin.yuekit
    • The mix of ridiculously stupid lies, nationalistic propaganda and psychological manipulation is weirdly similar.yuekit
    • The USSR probably spent decades studying this stuff, figuring out exactly how dumb the average person is and how to best manipulate them.yuekit
    • masters of that tradefadein11
    • @monNom I got that, just wanted to reply in place and clarify things, as things are not looking too good for them
      such a waste of potential      grafician
    • @shape
      that's actually used in their propaganda
      it also worked quite well against the West on social media durring elections      grafician
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