Russia-Ukraine Invasion

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    Everyone above who keep saying "America is fighting a proxy war"...it's one thing if you oppose sending military aid to Ukraine.

    But this specific use of proxy war...I don't think it's a coincidence you have every pro-Russian influencer, former RT employee and far-right politician also saying this within a few days of each other.

    This is a good example of how successful propaganda can be...it doesn't just reach the pro-Russian shills and idiot politicians, it eventually makes it's way into the mind of the average person.



    The reason Russian propagandists seized on this phrase is because it makes the USA look like the aggressor. Ignore the obvious reality that Russia started the war, focus on the USA sending aid to the country that is being attacked.

    But can anyone explain what Putin's goals even are? Why is he currently refusing to negotiate if USA is the one standing in the way of negotiations? Didn't the USA even limit the type of weapons they sent so that Ukraine is unable to attack Russian territory?

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    • I'm inclined to go search for 'refusing to negotiate' or 'Russia started the war' to prove you how much propaganda influences both side.uan
    • 'Russia must be crushed' or 'kill innocent civilians' all part of this twitter online propaganda war.uan
    • Is "Russia started the war" propaganda? That's just a statement of fact. Sorry but you can't tell me Russian propagandists didn't have a role in this,yuekit
    • it's propaganda in the sense of the same sentence repeated and repeated to prove a point.uan
    • when you've got people who seem to directly spread Kremlin talking points like Aaron Mate and Lee Camp using it.yuekit
    • the real problem is the invasion is 7month in and nor the sanctions, nor the weapons brought the war to halt or removed Putin.uan
    • Right but what's the alternative? Just let Putin take over Ukraine? Remember Russia refuses to negotiate, they seem intent on seizing land from Ukraine.yuekit
    • And if military aid didn't have an impact, why is pro Russian side trying so hard to convince people to end it as we can see here?yuekit
    • Some on the pro Western side are also arguing we are reaching a turning point.
      https://twitter.com/…      yuekit
    • The alternative is to stop fighting/killing and talk. but it's an almost impossible concept in a culture of war. Mexico, China are on that diplomatic path.uan
    • but they don't have lots of allies in it.uan
    • China has barely done anything, it's very disappointing because they actually do have influence over Russia.yuekit
    • It's not like I have a problem criticizing America I just think objective reading of the situation is that Russia is the aggressor and shows no signs of anyyuekit
    • intention to negotiate. Remember the head of the UN asked to go to Moscow to try and negotiate recently. He got no concessions at all from Putin, then he wentyuekit
    • to Kyiv to speak with Zelenskyy, and while he's there Putin bombed Kyiv near where the UN chief is staying.yuekit
    • amazing how loud and how arrogant people are when their entire worldview has been clearly manipulated by Russian psy ops.inteliboy
    • China is supporting Russian propaganda. "Talks"? WTF is that? Your country is invaded, your choice is give up your homeland to a brutal dictator or fight.formed
    • Putin has shown zero interest in any compromise. He wants the land and he'll stop at nothing to get it. I cannot fathom how people can defend him.formed
    • ^ On a similar note, I can't really understand what possible interest Russky trolls would have in hanging out on a design forum. But, here we are.Continuity
    • So, here's one for you Russkies: I wouldn't be mad if your fucked up country got glassed.Continuity
    • Pfft, whatever mate. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.Khurram
    • American politicians are out there admitting having staged actual coups and you're crying about "troll farms".Khurram
    • What great global agenda setting powers they must possess with their trolls...yawnKhurram
    • Careful, your butthurt is showing.Continuity
    • You've got to hand it them on some level when even people here are repeating the propaganda line.yuekit
    • propaganda: corralling public opinion, accomplished by reporting the news through the filter of fear, fear of some common enemy.uan
    • in my opinion it's both sides. and both camps use this technique, meanwhile fuelled by what we call social media.uan
    • All countries engage in *some propaganda, influence campaign, etc. But Russia has taken it to an absurd level where they don't even tell their own soldiersyuekit
    • they'll be fighting in a war until the day it happens. And even now no one actually understands the real motive for the war.yuekit
    • And then think about where did this archetypal idea of a propagandistic government we have like George Orwell "1984" come from?yuekit
    • It's a commentary on the USSR...and the current leadership of Russia are coming from the intelligence services of that government.yuekit
    • In a democracy corralling the herds into a wanted public opinion is done with subtle means. In a totalitarian state (Orwell) it's done by force.uan
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