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    Is this still relevant?

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    • Is showering still relevant?Chimp
    • If we completely clean up the planet, we'll never get dirty, right?Ianbolton
    • i could probably get behind capitalist individual usage arguments if industrial energy/ water usage was reflected in the price of a productkingsteven
    • I feel as though the supply/demand argument is always relevant. The more we switch to renewables, the more it becomes economically viableIanbolton
    • So we are making substantial progress. But the Just Stop Oil movement seems daft. We can't Just Stop it, at the click of our fingers.Ianbolton
    • if corporations were taxed by the gallon, the idea of individual access to water as a human right would be a no brainerkingsteven
    • oil is a finite resource, and the two go hand in hand ie. cotton production = shit ton of water, polyester = shit ton of oilkingsteven
    • i'm 100% behind the idea of Just Stop Oil, but 100% agree they're a bunch of twats.kingsteven
    • oh, btw. the just stop oil campaign is to persuade govt's to stop licensing new oil projects, not 'just stopping oil production' that would be daftkingsteven
    • ah, right. That messaging wasn't obvious - but yeah I am totally behind the campaign as a whole - but the way they're going about it is ridiculous.Ianbolton
    • I think change has to come both from the top and bottom but things would happen a lot quicker if it were from the top.Chimp
    • We saw how quickly unprecedented things could happen from the top down when Covid hit.Chimp
    • i think that vague messaging is deliberate, if they were 'just stop fracking' their actions could be harmful to the real indication that we need to reel it inkingsteven
    • It's also a good way of shifting blame from corporations on to the people.Chimp
    • it's extremist activism, like far-right politics it just hopefully shifts the perception of what is regarded as centrist / majority opinion.kingsteven
    • soz chimp got in a muddle. was still on about just stop oil there...kingsteven
    • There is a lot of good stuff in that video but I'm not sure what their solution is. Go live in a mud huts again? Perhaps I need to watch it again.Chimp
    • However, personal change instills a conscious mindset in the population that might convert into change on a larger scale.jagara
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