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What people don't seem to realize is that all these anti-establishment narratives -- from anti-vax to ivermectin, the Great Reset/ World Economic Forum, the lab leak theory, even the ridiculous sounding ones like 5G causing COVID -- all of them are being pushed and funded on a massive scale by governments and people with an agenda.
For instance here's a study showing how hydroxychloroquine as a cure for COVID was astroturfed into existence. The motive was to undermine support for lockdowns so that businesses could stay open by claiming there was already a cure.
https://mediamanipulation.org/ca…
The easiest way to influence society is now through these anti-establishment social movements. There's no barrier to entry and it's never been easier to run an astroturfed PR campaign using paid trolls, bots etc. People who distrust the government and "the establishment" are the main targets of this kind of propaganda.
- This is the real danger of social media IMO, that someone like Elon Musk ignores as he goes on and on about free speech.yuekit
- After the first wave Madrid never locked down and was fine. Sorry to upset your conspiracy theory.Chimp
- What does that have to do with anything? Does that mean governments and corporations aren't running disinfo campaigns?yuekit
- Here's another article on how the main lab leak story of 2020 was actually planned and funded by a Chinese billionaire working with Steve Bannon...yuekit
- https://mediamanipul…yuekit
- I remember people posting this exact story here. Is it not worth pointing out that this was intended to manipulate you?yuekit
- Or one on the Epoch Times:
https://www.opendemo…yuekit - Hey are you ok?Chimp
- lol, yeah are you? I'm not saying mainstream is always right just there's an ocean of bullshit out there in alternative media.yuekit
- There are loons on both extremes.Chimp
- What's surprising is the extent they will go to trick people, in some cases even fabricating entire science papers.yuekit
- Pfizer, have had some of the biggest criminal charges of all time brought against them.Chimp
- Never said corporations don't do bad shit. But at least they're subject to regulators, the media etc. There's zero accountability for online disinfo.yuekit
- Also the true story of this stuff is in some cases weirder than the conspiracy version. In the article on Epoch Times it talks about how there are troll farmsyuekit
- in Europe where Falun Gong cult members spread COVID and anti-vaxx disinfo, then take a break to meditate and do breathing exercises at work.yuekit
- Yep there are always loons online. And don’t forget Pfizer funds the FDA that’s supposed to regulate it.Chimp
- I agree that's a real issue. But the whole point was it's not just loons, these are well-funded, organized campaigns.yuekit
- Chimp rests his entire cases on anecdotes and hyper localized examples so he’s the most right.monospaced
- The idea that the government didn't want lockdowns is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen so far in an all of thisHench
- They really have some a number on you. You genuinely believe that no anti establishment narrative is real and that you're being told the 100% truth about everytHench
- Idiocy beyond measure.Hench
- "You genuinely believe that no anti establishment narrative is real and that you're being told the 100% truth about everyt" is not something I said lolyuekit
- Great. Share one anti establishment narrative you believe in...Hench
- Mono brain getting triggered again by facts.Chimp
- I think in some cases the lockdowns absolutely did more damage than they prevented. Particularly to the working class in developing countries.yuekit
- However as far as hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vaccines not working, the virus not being real...of course I'm not going to agree with things that aren't trueyuekit
- And in general the idea that non-experts are more trustworthy than experts... imagine how annoyed you'd be if people applied that to the field you work in.yuekit
- It's the equivalent of the client standing over your shoulder saying make the logo bigger...except the client is now telling you an entire alternate theory ofyuekit
- design, typography, coding, etc. Imagine how absurd and obnoxious that would be and you can start to understand where scientists are coming from.yuekit
- I would add there are serious questions around making vaccines mandatory and restricting human rights for those who don’t take them.Chimp
- Plus, in Spain masking outside was imposed which was ridiculous. Anyone who questioned it was branded a conspiracy nut.Chimp
- It’s naive to think that we should believe everything the so called experts tell us as they don’t always have our best interests at heart.Chimp
- The British PM has shares in moderna.
Pfizer funds the FDA who is suppose to regulate it. Pfizer has connections to Reuters.Chimp - Because of this, it’s best to keep an open mind about what is being said while not going off on a 5G conspiracy nut case rant.Chimp
- At one point so called experts told us that Iraq had WMDs. 100,000s died based on this lie.Chimp
- yeah, no Chimp, facts are not what you're wielding, sorry bromonospaced
- Mono, sorry bro but what I’ve mentioned here are all facts. They just go against your woke viewpoint. Best out your mask on and find a safe space to cry.Chimp
- As far as Iraq War goes experts didn't say that, politicians did. I think you can trust scientists and experts more than politicians and online grifters.yuekit
- Yep the politicians are the real snakes. The scientists in the Great Barrington Declaration spoke up against these.Chimp
- The expert predictions of Sage have also been proven wrong.Chimp
- The policies enacted like Chinese style internment camps in Australia, forced vaccination in Austria, prohibited use of public transport in Italy.Chimp
- These were all terrible policies that were abuses of human rights.Chimp
- I actually agree there were some inhumane policies. But if zero COVID is on one extreme the Great Barrington Declaration is on the other. Their predictions wereyuekit
- also wrong and there were governments that more or less followed their approach: the USA, Brazil, India...it didn't turn out well for these countries.yuekit
- What about Sweden and Madrid? It's very difficult to compare countries or even cities. Florida has had a better outcome than California...Chimp
- https://www.aljazeer…yuekit
- Anti-lockdown people would probably agree with everything India was doing...no masks, encourage large gatherings.yuekit
- But the result of this was hundreds of thousands (more likely millions but they don't know the true number) of people dying horrible deaths.yuekit
- Why was Florida better off than California that had stricter measures?Chimp
- Why was there little difference between Madrid with relaxed regulations compared to Barcelona that introduced Covid passports?Chimp
- These Chinese style restrictions on human rights did little to protect people and were more about control.Chimp
- Supporters of these CCP style human rights abuses are now clearly on the wrong side of history. It didn’t work in Italy and it didn’t work in China.Chimp
- I don't think you can directly compare two places because things like climate, demographics, population density could influence how bad the outbreak is.yuekit
- What you can say is that in some places where they tried the herd immunity approach it was a total disaster. Other places did fine with it.yuekit
- Countries like Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea took a more strict approach (but not like China) and did better than USA and Europe for the most part.yuekit
- I think it all depends on the situation. Omicron is not worth locking down over but if there's a virus with 10% fatality rate you'd probably stay inside right?yuekit
- Covid never came close to killing 10% of those infected so the lockdowns weren’t justified. It’s estimated to be, 0.53%-0.82%Chimp
- Yuekit, they've even admitted they didn't test the vaccines for transmission. They don't stop people, transmitting, or getting sick or dying from covidHench
- How is it a conspiracy theory that the vaccines don't work?Hench
- Unless you're one of the nutcases that was hospitalised with covid sheet vaccinating and say 'well it would have been worse without the vaccine'Hench
- You sound fairly reasonable. Surely you're not that far gone?Hench
- After vaccinating***" Apologies - phone typingHench
- You're misunderstanding the data. Yes vaccines don't stop transmission very well. But of course they reduce deaths.yuekit
- The whole point of a vaccine is that it's similar to getting the virus but without actually getting sick. It trains your body to block the actual virus.yuekit
- So which part are you saying doesn't work? They can measure the presence of antibodies against the virus after people are vaccinated.yuekit
- You can also clearly see that vaccinated people made up a much smaller percentage of hospitalizations than non-vaccinated.yuekit
- https://www.aha.org/…yuekit
- https://scontent-sea…yuekit
- Or comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated states
http://cdn.statcdn.c…yuekit - I could post about a hundred studies like that, what does it take to convince you guys?yuekit
- The obvious implication...if you zoom out to the whole world...is that vaccines, the thing you're against, saved millions of lives.yuekit