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    It’s an odd situation we find ourselves in, that both the woke left and the far right simultaneously feel like the they’re persecuted or the minority. American society is quite progressive but also it manages to keep a lot of safe spaces for the conservative folks. Yet both groups feel so hard done by. And it isn’t justified. My friends on the left don’t seem to notice how much influence they have or have had as a group over the past 20 years. The Left is the dominant voice in society but they still whine and have a “life isn’t fair to us” perspective.

    The people on the right aren’t persecuted, but they definitely aren’t the dominant influence in society. So why is the left so angry? They’re winning the culture war! Is it because when you’ve historically been the underdog you never lose that mentality?

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    • the people on the right just want to be left alone and carry on the way they always have and are threatened by change which typically comes from the left._niko
    • the people on the left just want to be left alone and carry on doing new shit and are threatened by resistance to change which typically comes from the right._niko
    • I think the right feels under assault because they perceive the left as controlling the media and culture...which is sometimes true but what did you expect?yuekit
    • It's just the reality that right-wingers don't go into fields like media, creative arts or technology as much.yuekit
    • or medicine or science_niko
    • This is funny... it breaks down exactly as you'd predict.
      https://verdantlabs.…      yuekit
    • https://www.zippia.c…yuekit
    • Right-wing jobs: missionary, logger, truck driver, police man, bond trader. orthodontistyuekit
    • @nb. This polarisation of politics and culture is exactly why that ‘Civil War’ trailer is so uncomfortable to watch.Morning_star
    • Yeah except it isn’t real. It’s all in the minds of polarized people who have been manipulated by tech & media companies.nb
    • Agreed. And we seem to have our fair share of them right here.Morning_star
    • That movie is nothing more than the demented fantasy of all those fools. on both sides.nb
    • It is absolutely not a both sides thing. Progressives have to be more vocal because the right will tear everything away from the middle if they can.garbage
    • Case in point: Alabama, embryos. The right is not being quiet anymore about wanting to create an literal theocracy.garbage
    • If we don't fight back, we will be run by Evangelical Christians. It's not polarization, it's seeing a problem and pointing it out.garbage
    • It absolutely IS a both sides thing. You are doing exactly what you claim ‘the other side’ are doing. And by defining them as an enemy with a problem that you...Morning_star
    • ...seem to be unwilling to understand or engage with, you are polarising them. It’s not ever as black and white as you seem to be portraying and as Sun Tzu...Morning_star
    • ..pointed out, if you don’t understand both yourself and your enemy you will lose.Morning_star
    • The weird part is you don't even seem to understand that "woke" is an old American term that goes back to the 30s, you know, when segregation still existed.garbage
    • Being woke meant being aware that the systems of power are being actively leveled against you. Conservatives in America are now using that as insult.garbage
    • That is problematic, hence the pushback. Also why are you concerned with it anyway? You apparently hail from the lesser Birmingham.garbage
    • Language evolves, and woke is no longer defined as it was in the early 1900s. It’s been co-opted by academia to describe some less than worthy ‘injustices’...Morning_star
    • ...and subsequently became a term of ridicule.

      I’m interested in the state of the US, it’s politics and it’s deterioration into what seems to be two opposing...      Morning_star
    • ...positions. Both unable and unwilling to find common ground. It sounds like a powder keg waiting to ignite.Morning_star
    • The "both sides" narrative ignores the minor detail that right-wingers are determined to elect an extremist candidate, whereas the Dem candidate is soyuekit
    • boring he's almost dead :) And the only real knock against Biden is that he's old, otherwise his policies are very non-controversial. Trump has convincedyuekit
    • his followers of a totally delusional worldview, and is promising to declare martial law upon being elected and withdraw from NATO.yuekit
    • I think you may just be more sympathetic to the conservative side, and that's a good thing in some cases but you have to call it like it is.yuekit
    • I have no dog in this fight. I understand the criticisms of both candidates. What’s concerning to me is, as I’ve said the utter disregard and ridecule both...Morning_star
    • ...sides show for each other. Maybe most people don’t actually give a shit and will go on with their lives with no change after November. However the picture...Morning_star
    • ...that you and others paint is one of radical action regardless of who wins. How realistic is that?Morning_star
    • Would you concede that the substance of what the candidates say and stand for matters and it's not just about generically being concerned aboutyuekit
    • civility? Are you really unable to say which one is more extreme?yuekit
    • Obviously Trump is more overtly extreme. However I’m not sure who will be worse for the US. For what it’s worth I am neither left or right. I believe there...Morning_star
    • ...are benefits and pitfalls in both political philosophies and a mixture of both will deliver an optimum society. So, how realistic is radical action...Morning_star
    • ...from either side after the result.Morning_star
    • Are you saying this is always the case, or just that Biden and Trump specifically are equally good/bad in your view?yuekit
    • I don't think being in the middle means you are always undecided between any two things.yuekit
    • It’s perfectly possible that this is just me interpreting things differently this election race. But, I can’t ever remember seeing such bemoan from both sides,Morning_star
    • Bemoan = venomMorning_star
    • Particularly when Jan 6 is forefront in a lot of people’s minds.Morning_star
    • It's certainly true that if you follow right-wingers (and I do follow some of them, I even work w/ Trump supporters), they seem to think Biden is terrible.yuekit
    • But just because peoples' impressions are strong on both sides doesn't mean the two candidates are actually equally bad or extreme.yuekit
    • Trump is objectively much more of a departure from the norm of US politics, in a bad way I'd say.yuekit
    • His first term was extremely chaotic, ending in an attempted overthrow of the democratic process itself. Electing him would also mean electing someoneyuekit
    • who is charged with all these serious crimes, who will then probably try to pardon himself, triggering a constitutional crisis.yuekit
    • If the bookmakers are any indication (and they usually are) then Trump will be the next president. There’s a long way to go before November...Morning_star
    • ..., anything could happen but that’s largely irrelevant. If Trump wins, there’s chaos, if Trump loses there’s chaos. My question is, and I’ll ask it again, how...Morning_star
    • ...radical and extreme are his supporters reactions? Are they a small but vocal minority or are 50% of the country going to take to the streets to protest a...Morning_star
    • ...perceived injustice? And given the animosity evident here will Biden put them in their place?Morning_star
    • Bookmakers are just reacting to the polls, more of which show a tie or small Trump lead. But some show a Biden lead.yuekit
    • I wouldn't be confident predicting the outcome at this point. As far as who's more extreme and how many, a recent poll found that a third of Republicansyuekit
    • think violence is justified to fulfill their political goals, vs. just over 1 in 10 Democrats.yuekit
    • I'd guess the number that would actually engage in violence is much smaller but the troubling thing is how many seem willing to go along w/ it.yuekit
    • But is "Sleepy Joe" Biden the cause of the violence and radicalism? :) No it's obviously Trump. You aren't really being neutral if you can't admit that.yuekit
    • Being neutral or moderate doesn't mean perpetually staying at the center point between any two things. What if it's Hugo Chavez vs David Cameron?yuekit
    • Or Putin vs. Olaf Scholz? Kind of random examples but you get the idea. Trump is the destabilizing force in this case.yuekit
    • That's not a particularly difficult choice. Regardless of their political positions Chavez was a fucking nightmare for his country and people. Cameron, whilstMorning_star
    • ..having relationships with Pigs would be a better choice for the health of a nation.

      I don't care who is the president, i care what it means globally and...      Morning_star
    • ..nationally. Both candidates are demonstrably incompetent. What concerns me is what it means for 340million Americans, some of which have promised to...Morning_star
    • ...'take it to the streets' if they don't get the outcome they desire. The divide between the two sides is being actively deepened by the rhetoric of both...Morning_star
    • ..., rather than reaching across the aisle to perhaps strive for better candidates and fix a broken political system.Morning_star
    • Your argument is such a copout and shows you don't understand the American right. Fuck talk about "both sides" and polarization.garbage
    • In plain English: They will take EVERYTHING if not opposed. It's not hard to understand.garbage
    • Or we can pat them on the back while they save Alabama embryos to grow up and be shot in grade school.garbage
    • So don't point the finger at people critical of policies and call that polarizing. That's called democracy and.. oh shit, that's what the GOP is trying to kill.garbage
    • You really think what's going on in US politics is democratic. A system that spews out an orange toddler and a mentally challenged corpse as THE BEST...Morning_star
    • ...presidential candidates money can buy.

      What are you afraid of? They won't and can't take EVERYTHING.      Morning_star
    • Do you think that part of the reason that the Alabama Embryos and the state issues with Roe vs Wade are gaining support is because of the...Morning_star
    • ...polarization and demonisation of left and right. Just look at what you've just said.Morning_star
    • Morning, I think you've been listening too much IDW content. Because this is exactly the kind of tortured false equivalence I can imagine someone like Bretyuekit
    • Weinstein or Joe Rogan engaging in. What are the radical policies Biden is supposedly pushing? His entire career he was known as a moderate centrist.yuekit
    • Biden being old I agree isn't great, I posted about it before. But he's basically the same age as Trump and without the authoritarianism and criminality.yuekit
    • When you have an extremist politician like Trump of course people will strongly oppose him. That in itself does not mean both sides are equally bad.yuekit
    • Apologies for not making myself clear. Trump and Biden are NOT equivalent in their approach, policies or demeanour. BUT, the venom, ill will, ridicule, and...Morning_star
    • ...dismisal that their supporters have for the other side is worrying. My concern as a non American has been piqued by the radical and extreme language and...Morning_star
    • ...behaviours evident here and across the web when one side criticises the other. Is it hot air and posturing or will it actually spill on to the streets the...Morning_star
    • ...after the results are announced.Morning_star
    • *the day after...Morning_star
    • You should apologize for sticking your beak in when you clearly don't understand the state of American politics. MAGA is a fucking cult, end of.garbage
    • Biden doesn't have "supporters", so much as people who have to vote for him because he is the feeble bulwark we have against..garbage
    • ..a D-list celebrity puppet president that is being danced around by billionaires to a generation of systematically de-educated pig-people.garbage
    • So no, I will not pat them on the back while they shoot me in the face. Go worry about your Brexit.garbage
    • Brexit was decided 8 years ago, there's little value in worrying about that now. And you're right, I don't understand US politics which is why...Morning_star
    • ... i'm asking questions. And the fact you've got sand in your gusset about me showing an interest and trying fathom what exactly the fallout of the next...Morning_star
    • ...US election will be is just odd. You have plenty of stuff to say on the subject, mostly calling people 'morons' but that's your prerogative. I thought you...Morning_star
    • ...may be able to give me some answers. I clearly over-estimated you.Morning_star
    • I think he's just expressing frustration that people STILL wouldn't understand what's happening after 4 years of Trump, then 3 years of Biden.yuekit
    • Civility and people yelling at each other is not the main concern, it's a demagogue like Trump leading a cult-like movement and potentially leading the world toyuekit
    • a point where all three major superpowers are authoritarian states that increasingly reject liberal democracy.yuekit
    • IMO the David Fuller video on Ukraine you posted a while back got it exactly right...this is a dangerous moment + people are incredibly confused and complacent.yuekit
    • @MS I'm done with this because you clearly don't know the history, but the GOP has harvested morons, hence why I use the term.garbage
    • Several decades ago the GOP made it a point to defund public schools. They have spent quite a lot of effort to cripple the mental faculties of generations..garbage
    • ..this is not conspiratorial, this is what has been happening in America. Trump wanted to actually end the Department of Education.garbage
    • The head Sec of Education was DeVos, who conveniently is involved in private education. Her husband is also into.. you know for profit war crimes.garbage
    • There's a lot of billionaires who really, really want Americans to stay stupid, because they need the base. It's a long play by the GOP.garbage
    • I can't explain it any simpler than that. There's a crop of overconfident morons that have been carefully crafted over here.garbage
    • Thank you.Morning_star
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