Fahrenheit 9/11
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- virtu0
kuz,
as i said before, dont talk about things unless you know exactly what is going on with them. Dude, you live in the UK, and i dont expect you to know what society is really like over here, but believe me it is not a right wing society. Liberals are the loudest voice in america, and that is a fact.
- Kuz0
The centre debate is a complete fallacy.
The opposing sides of the political spectrum are those who believe an individuals wealth is his own (the Right) and those who believe that an individuals wealth are socially created and therefore society shud benefit from it (the Left). Vast America was founded on the principles of the Right - of small government (because America constitutionally mistrusts big governemnet) - and of an individuals right to create private wealth. Therefore, u do no have a centre, u do not have left - u have a Right. Plain, and simple.
- Tara0
you guys should hear yourselves. you're having a completely pointless argument. it's like you know it as well but you just can't stop.
- dave|bxcr0
talking about something you dont know a fuck about?
like this maybe?
ou are bound to kill some civilians when they are interwoven with the enemy.
and there hasnt been that many deflections. Look at the numbers dude. 12 million people in the country of iraq. perhaps 5000 have defected. 5000 out of 12 milcoalition torture thread
- Kuz0
it's virtu. He has a way of winding me up!!!!!!!!!
- e-wo0
"Israel shud be wary of trusting the Arabs, Islam is by its nature anti-semetic"
i've read that several places...but it was more like "The majority of the Arab youth is anti-semetic. The majority of Arab youth is also Islamic." Unfortunately, there is an (unintended, i think) association between Islam and anti-semitism, just because both seems to come from the same group of people.
I wouldn't call that a crazy statement. I would call it crazy if authors were saying "those Islamics are all Jew-haters and need to be educated or die." But, except for stupid, independent sources, I haven't heard that kind of thing voiced in mass media.
- xaoscontrol0
How did we get into the fine points of partisanship?
I thought this was about a movie, a movie studio, and a movie maker that is OVER.
- Kuz0
Yes e-wo. But it's all about the cumulative effect of the media and the effect it has on people. When all ur talking about is how the Arab world is full of anti-semites which Israel has to watch out for, and no-one is listening to how Israel is embarkin on a zionist plan to wipe out the palestinian people and take over huge tracts of land by military means - then u're putting a veyr distorted view and heating false paranoia.
- Mimio0
This is the part of the argument where both parties try and nail down each others viewpoints and get them to commit to a viewpoint they can refute effectively.
- e-wo0
"Israel is embarkin on a zionist plan to wipe out the palestinian people and take over huge tracts of land by military means"
Maybe a few of them. have you visited Israel? have you talked to those people about what they believe? I have, and what you just said does not reflect their greater opinions.
- e-wo0
Israel doesn't look like much of a bully when you look at the conflict on a global scale
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http://protestwarrior.com/poster…
- lowimpakt0
morality is not an issue of scale. Using the term 'Muslim world' in relation to this situation is disingenuous. Saying Israel doesn't look like a bully is weak in the extreme.
- durang0
who the fuck would pay money to go see a piece of political propaganda?
micheal moore is the liberal equivalent to jerry falwell . . or whatever his name is . . . fuck those fat nerds.
- unfittoprint0
"who the fuck would pay money to go see a piece of political propaganda?"
Citizen Kane is a piece of political propaganda. As Fritz Lang's Metropolis. Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will/Olympia. All masterpiece's.
- Kuz0
Yes lowimpakt, plus that book i saw had a whole paragraph on how in the middle ages muslims in Persia persecuted the jews a few times. I was like, what the hell has that go to do with todya? I think he was trying to dispel the notion that muslims are tolerant of othe religions. I wish i could remember it... it was written by guy with a thick black moustache, anyone know? How many ultra-rights can there be with thick black moustaches?
- durang0
Citizen Kane, Metropolis, Triumph of the Will. Did you see those films? They are not propaganda.
Its sad that you equate them with some angry partisan BS.
- woodyBatts0
durang, seriously you might want to see those movies again, especially Triumph of the Will.
Good call Unfit, Good call.
- unfittoprint0
saw them.
not equating.
Kane's an attack agains Hearst, the newspaper mogul. Metropolis is a hymn to the sublevation of the proletariat [Goebbels was 2 dumb to understand that, yet he asked Lang to become the fillmmaker of the Reich.Fritz left germany soon after].
wtf?
Triumph of the Will not propaganda?
jesus.
- Kuz0
haha, yeah, you're asking Unfit if he's seen those films>????????
you wanna do a search for Triumph of The Will on the net? You might be upset people think it's a masterpiece....
- woodyBatts0
actually i was agreeing with Unfit...
sorry for any confusion