Serious design issue.
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Here is my attempt to spark an intelligent design related conversation.
Don't you think that we, designers, should lower the costs of our practice in order for the society to benefit from effective and affordable communication material?
Please discuss.
- 2cent0
uuhm no... we already have to fight for what we deserve... whats to gain by de-valuing ourselves even more?
- tara|gee0
do you mean mor eliek how issac mizrahi and phillipe starke do products for target?
- tomkat0
lowering my costs is close 2 suicide.
- MIJA0
There are a lot of designers out there already doing this and in the process making it harder for professionals to pay their bills.
Taking tha value away from your profession can have serious impacts on the quality of design. If you can't make a decent living doing it then the same people may just do something else.
If society get's inundated on pricepoint design then that does nothing for our benefit or society's
- save0
JESUS CHRIST!!
- Dancer0
In the UK there are real problems with undervaluing good design. Jonathan Ford partner of Award winning http://www.pearlfisher.com/
Has called for a standard in (UK)design practice stating that agencies should not pitch for free work. As it places pressure on staff and budgets.
Although this is a shakey and probably unworkable problem it has rekindled an age old debate at least someone is trying to add stablity to a struggling industry.
so, in reponse No, it's hard enough as it is!
- save0
Dancer, your pdf doesn't work on your site...
sorry, I was just being nosey!
- magicpatch0
effective and affordable communication material takes a lot longer than producing ineffective work. so i would have to say no, we should up the prices, this way clients only get the quality work, and weed out the not so good designers. i mean, who wants to pay an arm and a leg for shoddy craftsmanship?
- Dancer0
Tis fixed,
Thanks Save
- rasp0
so we would lower the cost for the client to buy "effective and affordable communication material" so that they (the client) can maximise even more of a profit from these "effective communication materials" ???
no I dont think its a good idea.
lower fees would mean that nearly every employee at every agency would earn less money.
no I dont think its a good idea.
- lvl_130
people/clients really need to understand that they get what they pay for (for the most part). and the final cost for good design is rightly deserved.
i could go on, but it's really as simple as that (there are exceptions to this like anything else, but for the most part this is the case)
- gfySelf0
slap!
- jamble0
As soon as the bank lower my mortgage, as soon as the gas,electric, water, cable companies lower the bills they send me each month, as soon as food or a trip to the cinema is lowered in cost, then, and perhaps only then would I lower my costs.
What sort of topic is this? I don't post on NT much but I assume I have missed an in-joke and the initial post wasn't in any way serious?
- Dancer0
LOL
- tara|gee0
i confuzzled
- nRIK0
I think that we, designers and all, should stop giving money to no-talent ass clowns in bullshit industries, in order for society to progress and so that we dont have tolerate/filter through the crap we get on tv/radio/media...
and i agree, what you pay for should be what you get; nothing more, [and definitely] nothing less
[aside: it pisses me off when clients dont think they should pay so and so for say, a design for a logo.. if they say they could do it better, then go ahead and fkn do it... silly clients]
- 5timuli0
Even if you did lower fees, clients would still moan their arses off that they're paying too much.
And no, I don't think it's a good idea either.
- nRIK0
and you know those corporate fuckers are all about profit
- dot-matrix0
An effective design for a profit yielding company...ideally...generates more profit.
wheather it took an instant or a week, this design will serve its purpose as the spokesperson for the company when no ones there to say anything on its behalf
its up to your designer whether your spokesperson is an articulate and educated individual with phenomenal people skills or a toothless crack addicted ferret ...
you get what you pay for
- janne0
i think that we should raise our prices.
i am still not living in that giant villa overlooking the ocean with cocktails and a harem, damnit.