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- Mimio0
...or parasitism, predator/prey food chains, to think those relationships were intentionally engineered is sadistic.
- ********0
Sure, the Great Flood of Noah for one.
- Anarchitect0
"It's the fact that people are applying long overdue scrutiny to Darwinism that it's coming up short."
obscure blogs and interest groups
!=
scrutiny
- ********0
sorry, wrong thread
- balboa0
You're just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing.
flagellum(Jan 6 06, 13:00)
Pot calling the kettle irreducible?
- ********0
it does have something to do with this. Why should any living thing, selfish gene or not, as a species disappear? It is happening all the time because of an inability to adapt to the assorted enviromental pressures which are immediate even catastrophic whereas adaption is incremental.
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- flagellum0
When you broach the subject of dysteleology or "bad" design, you enter the realm of placing unwarranted assumptions about the designer and how he/it should design. And you also cross over into theology - the character of the designer and destiny of biological systems. So, theologically, there are bad things in the world because it's a fallen creation. We feel the bite of sin. The death rate is one for one, we're all going to make it. ;)
Scientifically, the thermodynamic second law predicts this as it states that systems break down and deteriorate, the universe is running out of useful energy. Bad things happen, biologically. Additionally, every engineer allows for checks and balances in systems. If there weren't extinction, there would be overpopulation. If there weren't physical limitations, the predator/prey relationship would be comprimised and the prey would go extinct causing the predator to go extinct, etc...
- balboa0
p.s. Rand trumps us all.
God is thread.
There is no thread.?
- flagellum0
hardly, balboa. I'm actually citing facts rather than just saying "it's all just religious... yada yada..."
- mrdobolina0
I bet you have a compound packed with guns and inbred children.
- mrdobolina0
Im just kidding btw, you can believe all you want.
Just keep it out the public schools.
- pavlovs_dog0
apologetics = xtian apologist
flaggelator came to the conculsion before the question (jesus) was as askeed.
it doesn't matter what evidence you have, the bible can't ever be wrong, because that's the absolute he started with.
evolution is insignificat...
this thread could be about geology, islam, or slavery... the result would be the same.
we've give him lots of mouthwash and he's still got shit on his breath....
give it a rest.
- flagellum0
Im just kidding btw, you can believe all you want.
Just keep it out the public schools.
mrdobolina
(Jan 6 06, 13:34)-----------
If it's science, it should be in public schools. Narritives which contradict the evidence, should not. ;) C'mon, mrdobs, by now you should have learned not to conflate the science with it's implications.
- ********0
teleology? who cares about final causes? We discuss first causes.
Entropy is OK for newtonian physics but are we really running out of "useful energy" I thought the point was transformation of energy. At least since 1905.
Finally, any system that destroys itself as a condition of its existence is OK for art see Godot. Even parasites manage to keep hosts alive long enough to propogate.
- pavlovs_dog0
i so love to see discipler debate xtian supremacy with a fundameltalist shite...
islam being a much stronger faith based on the fact it remains ideologically consistent with the torah...
none of that hippy dippy jesus loves b.s. to contradict the fire and brimstone god of the old testament.
- pavlovs_dog0
teleology? who cares about final causes? We discuss first causes.
Entropy is OK for newtonian physics but are we really running out of "useful energy" I thought the point was transformation of energy. At least since 1905.
Finally, any system that destroys itself as a condition of its existence is OK for art see Godot. Even parasites manage to keep hosts alive long enough to propogate.
xenicon
(Jan 6 06, 13:39)xenicon is on another level.
- mrdobolina0
Im not a scientist, so I can't really say what is right or wrong as far as the flagellum and all that.
but majority rules, sad to say your homeboys are outnumbered for the time being.
The dangerous precedent that this would set in this country would be bonkers, too. Pat Robertson and all the nutjob evangelicals would go ape.
- Mimio0
For the record, Discipler, do you agree with Behe? or do you believe species to species evolution is impossible? Doesn't Behe basically beleive in natural selection?
- pavlovs_dog0
"your homeboys are outnumbered"
...like 10,000 to 1.
...and the 1's got xtain supremancy on the brain.
- ********0
go ape, heheh