Is there any shame...
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- republik8
...in a graphic design agency hiring another graphic design agency to create it's identity?
- version30
no, happens all the time
- blaw0
no. it's can be quite rough to create something great when you're that close to it.
i'll watch my email for the brief. :)
- algorithm0
happens on a daily basis. And it should.
I would rather hire someone with 30 years experience in brand Idenity such as Pentagram or Duffy.
- neue75_bold0
a little bit...but if it's not the studio's area of expertise, then it's ok...
- _salisae_0
would it be equivalent to another chef creating the house dish for your restaurant?
i personally wouldn't want someone else designing my identity.
i'm hungry.
- neue75_bold0
roast pun?
- _salisae_0
shore. anywhere i can shove a pun in i do .. an apple in the mouth and tomatoes in the eyes
- neue75_bold0
sounds like nice Friday night plans...
- PonyBoy0
kinda silly in my opinion... if you're a 'designers'... then design your own shit... brand yourself w/who you are....
... if you're a marketing studio... and you're 'half-ass' designers (like every 'marketing studio here in phoenix)... then YES... by all means... find someone who knows what they're doing. :)
- _salisae_0
but ponyboy didn't you hire someone to design your entire portfolio for like two hundred pesos?
- Crouwel0
i am designing my own shit at the moment. sitting on the toilet, with my laptop hehe..
- PonyBoy0
yes _sal... :)... I wandered the streets of Tijuanna searching for the exact 'tourist craftsmen'...
... then hired a coyote to bring her and her family up this way...
... to re-brand me. :)
janne... you're designing your 'own shit'... while taking a shit...
... are you designing what you'd like the 'shit' you're taking to look like... or... just designing... 'other shit'... while taking a shit...
... holy shit that's shitty!
- _salisae_0
no ponyboy .. he's just taking a piss
- PonyBoy0
no ponyboy .. he's just taking a piss
_salisae_
(Jul 30 06, 13:54)
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hahaha... that's impressive!
- gabe0
i wouldn't expect a design firm that deals strictly with print to develop their own website. maybe to have some input and direction to help the process.
likewise i wouldn't expect an interactive company to fully develop their identity, just input and direction.
- georgiasouth0
The perfect example:
http://www.abrandabove.com/portf…
right up your nose.
- mr_snuggles0
a perfect example of sillyness...
I cun't understand why jk didn't do that himself. I know it's difficult to design your own stuff be it logo, id or website etc, but c'mon, if you offer these services to others, it doesn't say much about yourself if you have/want to outsource it....
- DeviceUnseen0
Well how about For Office Use Only designing Organic's website - Organic is an interactive shop!
I think it is smart that people understand their limits and bring in the right people. It's about product not ego in the end. Personally, I do interactive very well but if I was in charge of producing a broadcast or print piece, I'd get the right people to do the job.
That sense of scaling is important in pushing my work and working talented illustrators, photographers, developers, and animators takes things deeper. Yeah I could do it myself (on the crap tip) but why limit the result that way.
- mr_snuggles0
that's a bit different though, now you're talking about personal technical and creative limitations, of course in that case it's wise to outsource...
I don't think ego has anything to do with either, to me it's clearly a matter of backing up the services you're selling... If it's beyond your capabilities to come up with a folding 3D star as your identity, surely there's another, equally as good concept, that is within your grasp to execute yourself.
And in that instance alone you are probably portraying yourself a bit more honestly to potential clients...
'OMG, I love your logo!'
'Cool. I didn't do it'
'really?'
'yeah'
'who did?'
'oh, these guys XX, yeah, they're great'
'what's their number?'
- DeviceUnseen0
the idea is that you are an enabler. you make design happen whether by your hands or at the direction of another's.
tibor kallman was a great designer but he never did any design work EVER. He assembled the right team to do the job.
I guess what I am getting at is the thinking vs. the craftsmenship. Portfolios with great ideas gets jobs not great photoshop skills unless you are looking for a job in production.