Information Architects
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- Leigh
AI people are overpaid!!
All they do is knock up wireframes all day, Visio does most of the job for them... any monkey can do it.
- rafalski0
* signs up for an AI course at a local uni, opens a bigger bank account
- Leigh0
Seriously they are getting around 50k in london, more than us designers.
tut.
- rafalski0
AI course, hahahahaha... I guess I could use some intelligence, even artificial
*closes bigger account, remortgages in order to afford Illustrator
- rafalski0
I guess, that's pretty natural direction: do less, earn more. Eventually you have the time to play golf while money earns itself.
- Bottlerocket0
Most IA's are next to useless and if you're a designer worht your salt, for most sites, you'll aleady do the things that an 'IA" does as part of the design process anyway.
Clients never look at what they produce let along understand it. So thei output is pretty much ineffectual most of the time.
Most of them don't even understand anything to do with data strucutres, communication, messaging or selling.
However, there are some good ones, and as a designer working with them, another good head that may understand the clients business processes deeper than you do, then they're great to partner with.
But I can only think of about 1 or 2.
- Leigh0
exactly!
nicely put Bottlerocket
- flashbender0
*makes note to emphasize AI/UI experience when applying in London.
- k0na_an0k0
IA and UX (user experience) seem to be very close to one another.
I've had more than one interview where the UX job turned out to be nothing more than building wireframes in visio, which to me was more like IA.
Paid well though, but not for me.
- johndiggity0
try doing 170+ wires for one site and still feel if you are overpaid...
- madirish0
i am afraid to say this,..... but i will.
if you honestly feel this way about IA 'people', then you truly have never worked with anyone worth a shit at it. those that are really skilled at it make the life of a designer and developer much less task-driven, and more skill-focused.
now with that said, i *do* think that if the IA process is not a communicative and iterative one, vs. a 'i know what is right and listen to me' one, then you are right on. in reality then, that is more demonstrative of the org flow, rather than the individual.
as an AD/assoc CD/blah, blah, blah- i relish in the ability to work with IAs that are commited to exceptional user experiences and are well-read in this area/background.
seriously, they are not worthless by a long shot. just my opinion, as always....
- madirish0
exactly jd.
- JesseJensen0
Information Architects
AI people are overpaid!!All they do is knock up wireframes all day, Visio does most of the job for them... any monkey can do it.
Leigh
(Aug 3 07, 01:35)True enough, at least they don't start threads like a whiney useless cunt that hasn't a clue how to tie their own shoes.
- -sputnik-0
what madirish said, at least from an e-commerce perspective. i've worked with many and when building a large-scale e-commerce site, a crappy IA can single-handedly cripple proper development and implementation.
- IRNlun60
well put madrish
- monkeyshine0
all of the IAs I work with kick a$$. They not only help us work out the overall structure of the site but they head up the research phase, interviewing stakeholders and customers, write personas, weed through data...
I bet your colleagues are talking about how overpaid the designers are too...all they do is lay color on top of wireframes.
- ukit0
I think it depends of the kind of project. I've done IA work in the past and for me it was a lot about actually figuring out what needed to go into the application....lots and lots of interviews, meetings, research, etc... The wireframes were simply a deliverable like any other as part of the conversation with the client. On some of these more complicated projects, UX work would go on for a few months and visual design just a couple weeks. Of course, this is for a certain kind of project and for an average site I'm sure the visual design team can finish the whole thing on its own. But even in those cases I've found that wireframes are a nice tool to solidify the layout before adding color and styling.