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- AngArtist0
My uncle lives in a small town in Texas, and he is a die-hard, old-fashioned Republican. He has a good heart, and I love him, but he has a raging temper when he starts talking about politics, and things can get pretty bad for the Democratic family members...
My grandmother (his mother) is a Democrat and lives in the same town with him and his wife. My mom lives there too and is also a Democrat. When I was growing up, I remember my uncle getting in very heated arguments with my sweet grandmother. He would yell really disrespectful things to her, and sometimes she would end up crying. It's horrible to see your uncle yell vicious words at your grandmother and to see your grandmother cry. As I child, I remember feeling so helpless. I always wanted to tell him to stop yelling at her, but he was such a big and strong man, with such a deep, loud voice - very intimidating for a child. It happened quite a bit, and many of their arguments were about politics. It still happens now, but not as often.
My grandmother LOVES Obama. She wants him to win more than anything, as I do. My mother has already warned me that my uncle is fired up about this election more than any other, and that he has already been trying to convince my grandmother to vote Republican - getting her in heated arguments with him still, but she is telling him not to talk to her about it anymore and that he will never change her mind. He only makes things worse between them by always bringing it up.
I admire my grandmother for always standing her ground, even when her two very bold, Republican sons continue to harass her about it. I know it has been very hard for her. I have seen her battle with them ever since I was a child. She doesn't try to change them like they try to change her. She only wants them to respect her and her opinion, and to let her vote the way she wants to without yelling at her about it.
So I know this Thanksgiving will be interesting. My mother has already prepared me. My uncle will probably start a conversation with me about politics, and he will start getting angry about it and raising his voice at us, but I am just going to remain calm and stand my ground and ask him nicely to just let it go and enjoy the Holidays. And for my grandmother's sake, I hope he does calm it down. After many decades of this political harassment from her son, my grandmother needs some peace.
We really need Obama to win.
- stand your ground and just remind him of the wonderful dinner you`ll be having :)Mirpour
- tell him to fuck off.
tell him to fuck off.
I'll tell him to fuck off, if u like.mikotondria3 - "fuck off"
(just practising)mikotondria3
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- repent--you've lost your wayhallelujah
- Correct, he has if he wants to sit down with that lunatic.********
- Treason is a question of dates said Talleyrand********
- Touche!********
- But..but..North Korea our are friends now! The gubermint just told me so!TheBlueOne
- Yeah, well I don't buy that either. I wonder what the S. Koreans things about that?********
- Jazx, you are still an idiot.DrBombay
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Im offended, they forgot Barry Hussein Obama.- Senor McCain is Panamanian********
- i'm starting to realize why so many people here despise you and thought hedge was youlocustsloth
- ironically, having an opposing opinion is so very wrong. how un-Dem of you.********
- Obviously you and the cartoonist don't understand Marxism. But, no, do go on...TheBlueOne
- Yet Scalia believes in Judicial Review which isn't in the Constitution and nowhere in the federalist papers...odd..TheBlueOne
- But, he's like "Really American" - because he makes shit up to stay in power.TheBlueOne
- Man, what's it like to have those KoolAid enemas? Cleans you right out, eh JazX? Not an original thought in your mind?TheBlueOne
- Not an original thought, and how would you know? Judgmental are we?********
- As for the Kool-Aid enema, isn't that what this thread is all about? it's 99% liberal. LOL!********
- liberal? no such thing********
- Posts stating opinion backed up by fact is one thing, JazX. These foolish doodles are another. You could find just as many stinging ones for the right side too.locustsloth
- ones for the right side too.locustsloth
- Bingo, they're funny. Go for it. it shouldn't piss you off too much.********
- Senor McCain is Panamanian
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei…
During the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Olbermann co-anchored MSNBC's coverage with Chris Matthews until September 7, 2008 when they were replaced by David Gregory after complaints from both outside and inside of NBC that they were making statements deemed to be too partisan.- wow the media being partisan. Imagine that. This election is over anyways. Obama 08.moveinspace
- Obama could win, but assumptions are the mother of all f*ck ups.********
- Murdoch has done more to polarize US public than even Bush********
- honestly, JazX for some reason I expect more of you. Disagree but rise above the vapid noise, my friend.monkeyshine
- I can't hate Murdoch too much, I love SkySports! It kept me alive in the Namibian desert.********
- we shall see Jazx. we shall see. And you do know you are in a partisan thread don't you?moveinspace
- Yessa, that's the fun of it. I could sit over at FoxNews, but where's the fun in that. ;)********
- monkeyshine, do you honestly think if Obama wins, I would cry like you guys here?********
- No, because you seem to take nothing to heart. I do - can't you respect that? Or you'd just rather have your fun?monkeyshine
- I guess I do, do that. Didn't mean to upset you though.********
- same old asshole.DrBombay
- monkeyshine0
Interesting article...I'm not sure how this Dayton paper has endorsed in the past but I know Dayton is not a liberal enclave.
- Hey, that's a Big 10 ACORN 'Voter Fraud' state. Sound the alarm!********
- honestly. I'd like to hear your opinion of things but I your postings are empty. Step it up!monkeyshine
- you honestly want to know why I vote for anyone but the Dems?********
- not really, you got boring real quick.mikotondria3
- ahhh another judgemental comment from the monkey gallery********
- It's not a judgement - I read your posts, and they are boring, its a statement of fact, not opinion or judgement..mikotondria3
- depends on your slant.********
- Hey, that's a Big 10 ACORN 'Voter Fraud' state. Sound the alarm!
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Specifically for monkeyshine.
I vote for ANYONE other than the Democrat Party for the following reasons:
1. The Unions here SCREWED over my father when I was young. He paid into a retirement plan that was nixed when USX bought US Steel. It creates a lasting impression. We suffered for quite a while and that's the biggest reason.
2. I don't believe in Section 8 and welfare systems in general. On a personal level, it DESTROYED the ethnic (German-American/Croatian-Americ... neighborhood of my youth. Maybe that's not the way it is in your neck of the woods, but it's blatantly obvious where I used to live and where my parents still live. The groups that take advantage of Section 8, etc. generally support the Dems.
3. I support the NRA. Plenty of my, YES, Democrat friends do as well. I'll be honest with you, here in Pennsylvania, these "bitter people" are having a hard time voting for Obama.
4. Socialism scares the sh*t out of me. In no way would I want to pay even a higher percentage of tax for some form of universal healthcare. I can use my brain to get it for myself.
5. My father is a Vietnam veteran and they sh*t on him when he returned. He risked his @ss, regardless of whether it was right or wrong to be there. That's not the point.
6. Although, not terrifically religious, I still respect churches. A number of both Catholic and Protestant groups have helped me. Grade school, high school, etc.* To be honest with you, I'd rather have more than two options for choice for President (US). Individuals in European countries are given that option from what I've seen. Whats wrong with that?
- So in short, JazX is bitter and clings to his guns and religion;Pukit
- oh ukit, you scamp, youlocustsloth
- dirty dog, you ukit. I still like you, DM brings people together. Anyway that was for monkeyshine.********
- thanks, JazX...I appreciate your perspective.monkeyshine
- Oh, I'm just teasin JazX, I don't hate people for their political views:Dukit
- NP, monkeyshine. BTW, the Titans are crushing people!!!********
- unions screwed the retirement plan? ..."when USX bought US Steel" maybe the boardroom took the money?********
- universal health care isn't socialism, my friends any more than free tax paid education or tax paid military********
- I dunno' who took the money, I just know what my father told me. He was BIGTIME union before.********
- that statement speaks volumes... DADDY SAID SO!DrBombay
- And you can, as usual go fuck yourself mrdobolina, I mean DrBombay. Doesn't surprise me.********
- Redneck LoveRenegade
- go cry to daddy.DrBombay
- chossy0
During this election time when we find out who will be in charge of the most powerful country on the planet, lets not lose sight of the fact that Sarah Palin would totally get it.
- locustsloth0
Shitting on Section 8/welfare programs because of the people who abuse it is like shitting on the second amendment because of the people who abuse guns. In both cases, there are plenty of abusers and in both cases it'd be ideal to find ways to prevent those abuses
- And in both cases there are people who need and/or deserve what it grants themlocustsloth
- Hey, it's just the way I see it buddy. I just find Section 8 and welfare ridiculous.********
- That's not what I've seen. Again, it's a personal viewpoint.********
- TheBlueOne0
@jazX
". The Unions here SCREWED over my father when I was young. He paid into a retirement plan that was nixed when USX bought US Steel. It creates a lasting impression. We suffered for quite a while and that's the biggest reason."
Funny. My Pop was Union ("Communication Workers of America") from the late 50's through the late 70's and then moved into management for AT&T. When he started to develop heart problems he was forced into longer and longer hospital stays and then the company dropped him and screwed him out of his retirement. My dad had to sue them from his hospital bed to get it back. I fucking hate corporations. I don't trust them for shit. Oddly enough all his friend who stayed in the Union retired well.
My Father was a Korean War veteran. Sorry about your pops, but at least their was a huge decades-long public discussion about the war your dad was in.
Welfare didn't destroy your neighborhood, poverty did. Welfare is a questionable attempt to ease it. Why people that hate welfare have a blindspot to the inequalities of the market amazes me.
You're blind to the fact that the US economic system has been socialist for a looong time now - both in social spending and government spending to the defense industry. And not a single Republican administration in the last forty years has done anything about it except make it grow bigger. Wake up.
- Dems haven't cut defense sending either, not Carter, not Clintonlocustsloth
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BlueOne, I read you loud and clear.
My parents were hard-core democrats through my childhood. They dumped that position when they learned that the corporate titans of USX at the time were Dems (of course in disguise, as they tend to be here in Western PA) and still nothing was left for them when it came time for my father to be released.
I wouldn't go as far to say I'm blind to the fact that socialism is an aspect of our current monetary environment, however, I fail to see what we'd want it to get even bigger!? Would you?
In no way do I support the fact that the Republicans have grown the government (Defense, etc.). At any rate, I don't consider Bush a true conservative.
It's funny here specifically, we've never even had a black mayor. You get A LOT of people that vote Dem just for monetary reasons, not socially. It's going to be verrrrrrrrrry interesting to see how PA pans out this election.
- Indeed, on one hand Obama is up like 13 points in the polls in PA. On the other hand, they are both campaigning like crazy there. PA could decide the election!ukit
- crazy there. PA could decide the election if it swings back to McCain.ukit
- PA funny. James Carville reads it as Alabama. minus Pittsburgh and Philly, except no Blacks.********
- monkeyshine0
JazX, I'm not sure how a McCain presidency would really represent any of your points to your liking...
* Section 8 exists because of poverty. I don't see poverty or issues of class being remotely touched by a McCain presidency...and I can only imagine that we will get more of the same...more upper and lower and shrinking middle.
*Guns...I'm not sure Obama has expressed a desire to implement gun control...maybe he has? I dunno but I can't see an Obama presidency changing gun control.
* Socialism and health care...do you think McCain's plan to tax health care benefits is a step in the right direction? Serious question. I can't see how his plan really addresses your concern. Obama wants to mandate health care for children only.
*Vietnam/War, etc. That is a shame what happened to your dad. I've heard thoughts from a lot of Vietnam vets and many of them really oppose this war. Again, I'm not sure how a McCain presidency serves our troops well. It seems that there is a republican notion that lying about reality in the name of honoring our troops goes against the value of not putting our troops in harms way.
I seem to remember that you are a libertarian, no? I am not trying to sell you on Obama...there are things about him I'm not sure about and sure it would be great if we weren't bogged down in a two party system. But we are. I personally feel that a McCain presidency will destroy America. It seriously scares me. I don't know how effective Obama will be as president; anyone walking into this mess is in a no win situation but I trust his judgement and intentions way more.
- I don't think McCain completely supports all of my ideals either. Less of the evils, from my point of view.********
- Anyway, you asked, so I thought I'd post. I like Libertarians principles. Small Gov, low taxes.********
- small gov = bigger corporations********
- I don't think McCain completely supports all of my ideals either. Less of the evils, from my point of view.
- ukit0
You have to wonder if the race is:
(a) A solid lead for Obama, as most of the polls indicate
(b) Actually tied, or within a few points because of the Bradley effect and apathetic younger voters who are getting polled but won't actually vote
(c) A crushing victory for Obama, because of his massive voter registration/ GOTV effort, which he has poured millions into- its about the electoral college, my friends, and florida.********
- People are worried about the 'Tom Bradley effect" for Obamaakoni
- *kicks FloridaTheBlueOne
- Don't forget politically correct answers to the question: "Are you a registered Democrat and will you vote for Obama?"********
- When in reality people are just nervous to answer the way they will truly vote. Where is that research article again?********
- why do you get so much joy from pissing on people's ideas?DrBombay
- I don't, but that should be an option.********
- Remember 2004? We'll never know until everyone has voted.monkeyshine
- its about the electoral college, my friends, and florida.
- _salisae_0
McCain had planned to unveil a new economic policy this week, but the plan fell apart amid internal campaign confusion. Insiders won't talk about what happened. "We're locked down," one official told the Politico. "I have no comment on anything, to anybody," policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said to the New York Times.
I wonder what the details are!
- janne760
- "Nailin' Palin"
Thank god he didn't pick Romneylocustsloth - "Rimmin' Rodney"?TheBlueOne
- "Nailin' Palin"
- _salisae_0
The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. Obama may not actually be a socialist or communist, but his election would strike another powerful blow to the informal racial hierarchy that has existed in America since the 1960s, when it ceased being enforced by law. This hierarchy, which holds that whiteness is synonymous with American-ness, is one conservatives are now instinctively trying to preserve. Like black civil-rights activists of the 1960s, Obama symbolizes the destruction of a social order they see as fundamentally American, which is why terms like "socialism" are used to describe the threat.
This phenomenon extends beyond Obama's candidacy. The conservative explanation for the mortgage crisis falls neatly into this narrative, too; the country is at risk because Democrats allowed minorities to disrupt the natural social order by becoming homeowners. Never mind that this defies all data, logic, and history, the narrative resonates because it allows Obama, a living symbol of black folks rising above "their station," to become a focus for conservative economic anxieties.
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i love texas and sarah palin
- _salisae_0
TOLEDO, Ohio - Democrat Barack Obama proposed more immediate steps Monday to heal the nation's ailing economy including a 90-day moratorium on home foreclosures at some banks and a two-year tax break for businesses that create new jobs.
With the economic turmoil weighing down his Republican presidential rival, Obama also proposed allowing people to withdraw up to $10,000 from their retirement accounts without any penalty this year and next.
The Democratic presidential candidate said his proposals, with a price tag of $60 billion over two years, can be enacted quickly, either through the government's regulatory powers or legislation that Congress could pass in a special session after the election.
"I'm proposing a number of steps that we should take immediately to stabilize our financial system, provide relief to families and communities and help struggling homeowners," Obama told a crowd of 3,000. "It's a plan that begins with one word that's on everyone's mind, and it's spelled J-O-B-S."
- http://news.yahoo.co…_salisae_
- Seems like Obama is the only candidate that actually gets it!Renegade
- obama must understand the economy better than mccain -- his campaign is flush with donations._salisae_
- What type of J-O-B-S does he have in mind? Are they for educated or uneducated candidates?********
- _salisae_ is right on the money with this one!Renegade
- that's a very selfish question, jazx. wouldn't have expected less from you._salisae_
- i imagine at this point job creation is the goal, never mind it's class ranking. but an excellent question no less._salisae_
- It's a legit question. How does he define J-O-B-S and has he created them before?********
- http://www.suntimes.…_salisae_
- yes he does._salisae_
- *have job creation experience_salisae_
