3D web, finally?
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- Nairn
This has been bouncing around the news web all day, but I've not seen any mention of it here, so in case you haven't seen it...
Mozilla and Google have teamed up with an organisation called 'Khronos', with the intention of defining standards for use of 3D hardware acceleration (via OpenGL) through JavaScript.
They hope to bear the first fruits in a year or so. A wee while off yet, granted - but this sounds like the kind of announcement that'll actually have legs.
Roll on, 3D web - fuck you, Second Life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn…
http://tech.slashdot.org/article…
- skt0
3d web? finally?
i was making vrml sites a decade ago... it was like you were there.
- VRML never took off as a standard. Little general awareness about it either.ETM
- Did you actually use vrml? The market was dead before it'd even begun with that one.Nairn
- yep... back in uni... quite good fun to work with.skt
- vrml sucksuberdesigner
- anything at alluberdesigner
- typist0
will 2advanced change to 3dvanced?
- Muahahhaa...fyoucher1
- You better trademark that shit fast.duckofrubber
- 3advanced.com Premium Domain price $2,388.00version3
- Horp0
All this technology stuff is so bewildering. I'm reading 'bear', 'fruits' 'have legs', 'Roll on' etc, and all I can imagine is a gay panda putting anti-perspirant on its thighs.
- Bender0
VRML?
- twokids0
going to be a lot of terrible 3D sites there only because someone thought it needed to be 3D
- Nairn0
OK, to stave off any more mentions - I'm old enough to remember VRML when it first came around, and was disappointed to see it disappear. Logical, of course - it was well before its time of relevance.
The difference here being that 'most' contemporary internet-viewing devices have some form of 3D accelaration. User interaction has begun to reach maturity and tech awareness is widespread.
So, this is by no means the first attempt - but with the time, the players and the intent in place, this is going to be the one that matters.
- Mantistwo0
yea lets make whacked out 3d sites...that are hard to navigate.
Maybe we should put all our energy into making things more visually complicated and WHACKED OUT..whacked out.
- zarkonite0
oh look, just like Apple's new CSS extensions for Safari.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/new…
Now it's Microsoft's turn in 3... 2...1...
- Nairn0
Why spin this in to some infantile OS debate, zarkonite? Your link is in no way comparable - it's a set of (imo, largely redundant) 3d space effects for traditional CSS_controlled UI elements. As imaginative as a programmer might be, that is a dirty route to go down, and one that is distinctly limited and short-sighted.
Also, you neglect to recognise that, in your link, Apple are guilty of all the exact-same proprietary mistakes that Microsoft have made over the net's past history, by trying to inflict their worldview on everyone else, without discussion or compromise.
What my links refer to is an industry-supported glomeration of relevant interests to hammer out a universally acceptable format for all to use, sans royalty or allegiance to another's crown.
- infantile, glomeration, allegiance...
Hot damn, now this is a searing post.harlequino - oh... and he used sans as well. uber modern approach to the argument nairn :DAmicus
- infantile, glomeration, allegiance...
- ukit0
- Nairn0
I just saw this, in the Slashdot article's comments. I take it to be approximately true.
"Umm, do you have any idea who the Khronos group is? It's Apple, Sun, Id, Creative, Sony, Intel, AMD/ATI, and NVIDIA among others. They make OpenGL and pretty much all of them have a vested interest in keeping the standards open and usable by everyone and NOT controlled by Microsoft. The main purpose behind Khronos these days is to provide a usable alternative to DirectX."
- BattleAxe0
- You should try this link out in Chrome : http://www.chromeexp…Nairn
- zarkonite0
@Nairn
You extrapolated the hell out of a benign statement... I didn't mention anything about OS. It may shock you to know that Microsoft and Apple do much more than just operating systems.
Do you know how AJAX works? one of the key elements is the XMLHTTPRequest which allows you to fetch information server-side and send it back into the user agent. It was originally built by Microsoft as part of their proprietary ActiveX controls... ffwd a few years, look at it now!
Javascript itself was a proprietary language of the Netscape Navigator and.... look at it now!
OpenGL came out of SGI's efforts to create their own graphics API. etc etc etc.
Apple is constently, like most technology outfits, trying to impose its will. A good example is the "standard" XML based OOXML format that in fact is just what MS submitted (DOCX) to the IEEE for approval as an ISO.
Khronos is a group of companies that want to LOOK like they're fighting the good fight but MS, Apple, Sun and Google are all on the board at the same time as developping their own technology... the way it usually happens is that Company X makes its own thing, based on the expertise they've developped they submit some or all of it to be reviewed as a standard and then some or all of it is accepted and goes on to become a standard.
My point is simple, whatever WORKS BEST BECOMES STANDARD and let the games begin, this kind of top-level techo-competition is what drives innovation forward.
oh, and fuck you too.
- janne760
fuck that.. you can already do anything at zombo.com
- don't push your methods on merzrffglyr
- your only limit is yourselfuberdesigner
- the unattainable is attainabledbloc
- Nairn0
Fair enough, zarkonite - but your initial post was vague enough for me to justifiably presume you were merely skirting through with some idiotic oversimplification.
Your points about the benefits of competition and evolution-from- proprietary techniques are generally fair enough too - though we're talking about a tech whose competitive race was won years ago. OpenGL is the dominant open standard for current, established 3D tech, so it's pointless to reinvent things when no discernible benefit can be derived.
Where 3D's concerned, The Race is hotting up again with the opportunities multiple cores afford, such as physics and ray tracing libraries. These features, however, are obviously well off the web yet, so now the time for consolidation and agreement.
The 3D Race on the web needs to move on and hot up with services and appliance innovation - not by continuing to dick around with the basics.
- janne760
when is your next lecture or seminar, Nairn? :)
- Amicus0
3D shmeeD... what we need is the hologram technology utlised by Obi Wan with the R2D2 droid. Then we'll be getting somewhere.