zeitgeist
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- Stugoo
Flat mate made me watch this last night.. have you seen it?
- GeorgesII0
don't watch it, or actually watch it, let it sip in then watch the addendum version when they flip around their entire concept...
if you're interrested in esoterism or 9/11 or banking system,
go to http://www.sprword.com/ in the doc sections, you'll find some great movies to "open" your eyes.Cheers
- Mau0
stupid conspiracy theories...
bullshit.
- its made for unstable people with no personal opinionMau
- I concur with the V-necked wunderkind.
<Horp - true mau trueCoffeemaker
- GeorgesII0
Yo Moa when did you get dismissed?
- 23kon0
"its made for unstable people with no personal opinion"
erm no thats the sh*t that the government and news feed you.
or pump you so full of gossip, "OK" "Hello" etc that you dont give a crap about current affairs. so the governments can get on with doing stuff without getting noticed cos the masses are too bothered about Posh's weight loss or how many new kids madonna has bought.
- Elwin740
Better Than Religion!
- Coffeemaker0
bullshit. and the millionth thread about it. could have used filter ffs.
- raf0
- HAHAHHAAHAAHAHACoffeemaker
- first laugh of the day.. thx.Coffeemaker
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- raf0
Most of those films have make good points and reveal mechanisms at the core of today's world.
Zeitgeist Addendum however, is sheer lunacy with its Venus Project. It's basically suggesting an utopian world where technology produces such abundance that everything is free, nobody has to work, there is no money, there are no banks, no selling, no advertising..
- gramme0
Ah not this again. I've already deconstructed this pile of shite like a year ago. I remember mrdobolina asked me to check it out.
Zeitgeist was very poorly researched. Just one example: the parallels they draw between Christianity and Egyptian pantheism are just plain false if one makes even a cursory glance at the stories behind Egyptian deities. It's about as credible as Bill Maher's movie, or the Da Vinci Code (granted that's obviously fiction, but you wouldn't think it to hear all the people I've encountered who buy into the whole Gospel of Thomas theory).
- Are there credibility issues with Bill Maher's movie?Mimio
- Yes. He finds the fringe wackos, rather than the intelligent, mainline proponents of each religion.gramme
- And then he exploits their eccentricities / stupidity with leading questions.gramme
- Sure, everyone has a bias, but Maher's approach is unfair and designed to produce a pre-determined result.gramme
- You consider Francis Collins fringe? He's one of the best people your lot has.Mimio
- Not familiar with Collins.gramme
- http://en.wikipedia.…)Mimio
- I wish Maher had interviewed Ravi Zacharias at any rate.gramme
- Would've been a walk in the park for Z.gramme
- ukit0
Ironically the film is a pretty good example of effective propaganda.
- gramme0
Mimio, whatever the case may be with Collins, I wonder what sort of rebuttal an atheist could find for this tidbit:
"During a debate with the biologist Richard Dawkins, Collins stated that God is the explanation of those features of the universe that science finds difficult to explain (such as the values of certain physical constants favoring life), and that God himself does not need an explanation since he is beyond the universe. Dawkins called this "the mother and father of all cop-outs" and "an incredible evasion of the responsibility to explain", to which Collins responded "I do object to the assumption that anything that might be outside of nature is ruled out of the conversation. That's an impoverished view of the kinds of questions we humans can ask, such as 'Why am I here?', 'What happens after we die?' If you refuse to acknowledge their appropriateness, you end up with a zero probability of God after examining the natural world because it doesn't convince you on a proof basis. But if your mind is open about whether God might exist, you can point to aspects of the universe that are consistent with that conclusion."
(taken from the wikipedia pg. you linked)
- Why the need to rebut it? it's his personal observation/belief. There's no empirical foundation for an argument.Mimio
- nice quote, well said by Collins.designbot
- what did he really say though? he made a value statement about believing in the supernatural as a better way to live.Mimio
- ...live.Mimio
- His point was that if you're definition of "truth" falls only under naturalism there is no room left for even the idea of God.designbot
- God.designbot
- It's simple things that don't exist ...don't exist. It's a lie to pretend they do and that you have special knowledge of them.Mimio
- ...of them.Mimio
- But is it not arrogant to make assumptions about the supernatural? There's nothing logically untenable about God.gramme
- lies and faith are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, whether you acknowledge faith or not.gramme
- "The two fundamental tenets of true atheism are One: There is no God. Two: I hate Him." -Doug Wilsongramme
- So what about the things that are yet to be discovered? Do they exist?designbot
- designbot, how could I say? The point is... that it's wrong for me to pretend to know.Mimio
- Well I see what your saying Mimio, but having faith in evidence is different than pretending.designbot
- It really isn't. it's just an idea at that point. Hypothesis is too good of a word to apply too.Mimio
- Coffeemaker0
oh christ.. i saw the word religion.. gramme is here. and here we go.. up to post no. 1,246 !
- Coffeemaker0
Where is teleos?
- bliznutty0
Listen, there are no problems in the world ok? Central Banking, Government Power, Class Warfare are all just myths. Money is not the root of all evil.. In fact, mankind has already solved all of its problems with money. There are no powerful interests, everybody is equal... Please stop watching Zeitgeist and go back to watching American Idol. Thank you