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- scarabin0
i believe that there are things a person can do in order to become the person required to achieve a given goal, be it through ritual or other means.
rituals typically are a session designed to infuse the mind with symbols selected for a given purpose; basically it is voluntary, often self-administered, neuro-linguistic programming.
simplest way i can put it
- GeorgesII0
do you practice rites and incantation, and believe thought can affect reality and matter.
- scarabin0
are you interested in magick or are you interested in thelema?
- scarabin0
at the center of thelema is the idea that every individual must find his or her "will"– that is, a focus for their life, and should stop at nothing to fulfill this purpose.
that's about it. there's no dogma or anything, you can even believe in god.
next question?
- what if someone spends 10 years focusing on something and then finding it futile?ephix
- depends on the situation of course, but you could say even failure was a discoveryscarabin
- and their will could have been more about the process anywayscarabin
- "failure was a discovery" truth. glad i found it out in my teens.ephix
- GeorgesII0
I just want you to use this message box, to tell us the belief of the OTO as an order,
I grew up in a Rosicrucian/open minded household and just want to openly explain what your beliefs are. I believe I know enough, but I want other who have no idea what we're talking about to learn a thing or two about the rites and ritual magick.
- miesvan0
Lewis- Willians...
Religion is one possible explanation, not for natural phenomena, but for highly complex experiences that the human brain generates. It does so in such a way that a whole range of further explanations (for natural events, death and so forth) becomes available. Moreover, religion makes possible powerful social and political hierarchies not based on sex or brute strength. The persistence of the neurology of the brain through time ensures that the "origin" of religion is always with us.
This explains what he means by the phrase "origin-as-process", and his reason for thinking that the stock analysis of earlier
anthropology - that religion evolves from animism through totemism to polytheism and thence monotheism - is incorrect. He has an interesting point here. Polytheism persists in both actual and disguised forms: actual in the Hindu pantheon; disguised in the "Trinity" or in any religion, including Islam and Judaism, that admits the existence of angels and demons (and, in the former at least, a populated afterlife) along with the deity.Lewis-Williams does not leave matters at the level of analysis. In a long and thoughtful concluding chapter entitled "God's Empire Strikes Back", he considers the current tensions and conflicts generated by the revived debate about religion. He concludes that there is no future in attempting reconciliation between theistic and non-theistic world-views, and that our hope must be that Darwin will be proved right eventually, that science will finally cut the taproot of religion. He ends by quoting Matthew Cobb and Jerry Coyne: "In reality, the only contribution that science can make to
the ideas of religion is atheism."
- ukit0
- eieio0
Are all niggers niggers? I say probably because the tooth fairy was my mom
- scarabin0
1. there are more conclusions leapt to in that one post than in the entire rest of the thread
2. yes, god is a child thing like santa clause, but you're free to go around believing in him. just don't expect to not get picked on by the older kids.
3. now you're trying to shift the focus to islam?
- have we ever discussed it or made fun of it,
GeorgesII - nobody cares about islam http://farm4.static.…scarabin
- have we ever discussed it or made fun of it,
- ukit0
There is actually a pretty large "humanist" movement that tries to address many of the philosophical issues around atheism/ agnosticism.
- Buddhists?eieio
- No...secular humanism. Vonnegut, Isaac Asimov, and Carl Sagan were all involved with this movement.ukit
- Vonnegut was President of the American Humanism orgukit
- it similar to Buddhism is the pointeieio
- LOL, call it Buddhism if it makes you feel better. The point is, this is a superset of atheism.ukit
- Believing in God or not believing is the only question atheism tries to addressukit
- Buddism has deities so it is not like Atheism in that context.IRNlun6
- CALLES0
would people be upset if they start a "jews" or"blacks" or even "whites" thread?
- GeorgesII0
what I get from this thread,
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All christian are gun toting, abortion banning, race dividing, science hating ignorants, all of them!!!
and they also all believe that the pope is above controversy even when the entire catholic religious organisation knew and hid the facts, so all catholics are pedophiles and enjoy fucking little boys,
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God is just a child thing like santa claus, and no ONE should be allowed to believe in it, because it just, errrr stupid,
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this is the usual circlejerk that comes out from all the religious qbn threads,
I don't know who pointed it, but we never discuss Islam (don't they hate us for our freedom) and Hebraism (they control hollywood dude),
we rather keep on masturbating about how cool we are for confronting those damm Xtians stupid beliefs,- Taking that to extremes, no? I diont care who believes in what, but dont try to make me see things your way.CygnusZero4
- Im agnostic! =)CygnusZero4
- I'm not even christian, I just learned to respect the other belief, read all message and filter the other 1000 threadsGeorgesII
- lol cignus, just say it, you hate us for our freedomGeorgesII
- Thats the way it should be. Religion makes some people just feel better, and thats fine by men. Whatever works.CygnusZero4
- what?CygnusZero4
- you're not respecting our belief that your religion is ridiculousscarabin
- ukit0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The…
Theism in the broadest sense is the belief in at least one deity.[1][2] In a more specific sense, theism refers to a particular doctrine concerning the nature of a god and its relationship to the universe.
The claim of no knowledge, no faith or a complete rejection of theism is known as agnosticism, atheism or antitheism, respectively.
- They ARE oppositesukit
- What about those of us that are indifferent. I dont know if there is a god, if there is, if he's even aware of us.CygnusZero4
- So what does that make me?CygnusZero4
- Agnosticukit
- That's what I amukit
- Sweet. always wanted one of these cool titles.CygnusZero4
- It's a rejection of deities. Non-dualism.IRNlun6
- a– "without"
gnosis– "knowing"scarabin - I would never reject that there is a deity. No way for me to know if there is or isnt. Same goes for all of you.CygnusZero4
- ukit0
You're misunderstanding it eieio. Atheism isn't intended to address how to live your life, you could be an atheist and also a humanist, for instance, like Kurt Vonnegut was. Just like you can be a theist and also a Christian.
- sure but a big side of the athiesm as being subscribed by peple on the net has no greater human message. Kurt does thougheieio
- In this thread. I'm not generalizing hereeieio
- The irony is that you've been complaining the whole time about generalizations made about religious people.ukit
- When you're more than happy to make the same generalizations about atheists and agnostics.ukit
- omg man i just gave you perspective on atheism. Buddhists are atheistic agnostic. I ain't generalising about nothingeieio
- You said modern atheists are nihilists and lack understanding of human reality. HUGE generalization there.ukit
- The ones in this thread are and thats very specific.eieio
- CygnusZero40
Im on ukits side. Im sort of in between. I wont worship something when I dont even know what it is, and that doesnt make me a bad guy.
For all we know the planets are just cells within some giant cosmic cow, one of millions. Who the fuck knows. Believe whatever you want, but I dont like when people try to tell me that they KNOW this or that. Our useless minds dont know anything, and thats the way its supposed to be.
- eieio0
buddism is atheistic and is exactly what you're saying in the second sentence ukit. This modern atheism that supposedly is based on nothing except abstracted scientific facts God) (that have nothing to do with and also 'doesn't consider human reality' is a big fail. It has nothing which is nothing.
- ukit0
i.e., atheism isn't a competitor to or the opposite of Christianity or Buddhism. it's the opposite of theism.
- its NOT opposite theism athiesm is a theism look at the wordeieio
- Nopeukit
- yepeieio
- no, the word means 'without theism', such as apolitical is teh opposite of politicaltoiletwolf
- ukit0
How does it fail at human reality? Atheism doesn't try to address human reality. Atheism isn't a philosophy or all-encompassing way to live your life. It's just the idea that there is no God. If you want to attach a larger philosophy to that belief, go for it.