Canon 5D v 7D
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- vaxorcist0
They can both take the same lenses, but wide lenses are wider on 5D.
a 20mm prime on 5D is nicely wide, it's only a bit wider than normal on a 7D.
Shooting wide angle on a crop frame camera is odd...
- quack0
tedvandell, your information is misinformation as in it is incorrect and misguided
5d can not provide more bokeh than the 7d, bokeh, the result of shallow depth of field is a result of lens aperture. you may be referring to vignette, the darkened edges, as the 5d is a full frame sensor compared to the 7d which is a crop, therefore reducing the natural vignette of low aperture settings
- actually Ted is right about that.pr2
- actually he's wrongquack
- therefore, so are youquack
- DOP is directly proportional to the sensor/surface size - small sensor = large DOF, large sensor = small DOFpr2
- how stupid are you?quack
- apparently he is both better informed and nicer to talk to than quack.tedvandell
- ted is right and quack is wrong.bigtrickagain
- quack you're an idiot.inteliboy
- pr20
It's actually not the case as the LCD is barelly SD, so even with a magnifier you are still using SD monitor to focus and if you ever worked with SD monitor and HD footage you will know that it's not enough for critical focus.
Lenses, it's the other way around - because 7D has smaller sensor then you can mount more lenses then on 5D.
- vaxorcist0
Nice test, thanks!
How is the rolling shutter on a horizontal pan or slow moving tracking shot? Is it about the same on each? I'm trying to figure out how much camera movement I can get away with on an upcoming music video shoot... We have a 5D ,ark II
- tedvandell0
for more information try Planet5D.com, Cinema5D.com PhiliipBloom.co.uk
Try using an LCD loupe to achieve fine focus on either of these cameras without an external monitor while in LiveView mode.
The 5D gives you much greater depth of field (bokah).
5D audio is quite good, but should still probably use an external device like a Zoom H4n to get even better sound or a Sound Devices 522.- And the 21 megapix photos are beautiful!tedvandell
- You HAVE to use a device with a pre-amp.pr2
- True I am also using the JuicedLink preamptedvandell
- quack0
had access to Canon 5D (2.0.3) and 7D (1.0.9) so I decided to do some test. This test doesn’t have any images so in some places you simply have to take my word for it.
IMAGE
5D (full sensor size) – even though it has larger sensor I find it only marginally more light sensitive.7D (1.6 crop sensor) – when set to lower contrast in picture styles the image looks exactly the same as 5D.
7D’s crop might not sound that significant but it does when you try to work with extreme lenses (such as wideangle lenses). My Tokina 11-16 even at 11mm on 7D wasn’t as wide as 16mm on 5D.Both cameras show significant amount of artifacts when you record a wide vista with everything in focus.
FOCUS
5D – even with version 2.0.3 HDMI still outputs only SD signal thus you can’t focus using external monitor in record mode (no run&gun capability).7D – HDMI outpust 720p (or something that looks like it) not uper sharp but definitley better then 5D and from my test using HDMI monitor totaly acceptabe for focus.
AUDIO
5D – manual audio, so you can get crisp audio using external pre-amp adapters such as JuicedLink7D – auto audio... you get all the pluses and minuses of auto, plus because you have no manual control you can’t use external pre-amps thus you have to relay on in-camera circuitry = crap audio.
WINNERS (based on my experience of shooting those):
NARRATIVE (lots of visuals)
7D as it allows to focus with HDMI monitorNARRATIVE (lots of dialogue)
5D as dialogue is usually static so with decent focus puller you can get sharp image and great audio (with 7D recording to external device is an option but there might be sound drifting issues).MUSIC VIDEO
7D as it allows on the fly focus. Unless you do some very specific visually oriented work such as such extreme lens effects with fisheyes as then the effect is more pronounced with 5D.DOCS (general)
Neither: 7D allows on the fly focus but the audio is crap while 5D has crisp audio but so what if the shots might be potentially out of focus.DOCS (sit down interviews)
5D as with sit down interviews there is usually very little focus shift and the audio you will get (if used with a pream such as JuicedLink) will be crisp.DOCS (run and gun)
Neither, or potentially 7D as it allows to focus on the fly (with HDMI monitor), but the audio is OK at best.COMMERCIALS
Either one as with commercials spots you usually get a focus puller to take care of the focus and the soundman that records to external device for sound back up anyway.
- pr2
Since some of you shoot with some of those DSLR, I though it might be of some interest to you: