OS X vs PC
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- popovich
Yeah, I am starting this flame.
And you know why? I am sick and tired ot re-installing damn Windows every year. Really, I just cannot handle the level of customization, which PC/Windows offers: you can assemble your PC with a screwdriver and see your machine being born, and then spend couple of hours installing all the minimum software you need to install even more needed software... Sweeeet! I've been doing this for over 10 years now. Apple will never be able to offer this —
and I hope for a good reason.I am sick of cleaning up viruses not only from my computer, but from every other server, which was saved in total commander's ftp (burn in hell for not encrypting the passwords properly!).
I am sick of hardware giving up on me.
I am sick of disk space melting down as I watch it and Windoofs telling me it needs more, than just those 80 Gb I thought would be enough for a system partition....... [hangs the head].....
However, maybe it is just me? And maybe the Apple/OS X is not as good as they say? Maybe it crashes even more? And viruses are even more hazardous and hardware is less robust?
I've bought Win7 and re-installed the system just yesterday. And I am close to believe, that this was my last investment into a PC/Win machine.... Tell me something.
- meffid0
Not it's not just you. I left windows in 2002 and never looked back.
- raf0
One of Mac features that ensure I don't go back to Windows is that I can clone system drive even as I'm using it. Then I can take the clone, which can be ie. on an USB or FW drive, plug it into any Intel Mac and launch an exact copy of my system on that computer off that drive.
I do regular differential backups this way, so the clone is always ready to launch as system drive should my main drive fail.
- jamble0
I really don't get why mactards have so much trouble installing a simple anti-virus and just running windows.
I've had no problems in years. Don't really get what all the fuss is about.
- +1Peter
- apparently, a simple antivirus had let a virus in, and yet another simple antivirus could never find the bastard.popovich
- but it is just about virus, it's about stable both sides: software and hardwarepopovich
- Weird, I've used Windows for year with no reinstalls, hardware failures or viruses.404NotFound
- wow, so because you've never experience it, that means it doesn't exist. uhhhhhhh.iCanHasQBN
- detritus0
Windows7 on a decent machine has treated me pretty well these last 7 months or so. On it, the Boot drive is an 80gb SSD, which has the OS and principal apps on. It's barely half full.
A work machine for the design industry, in my opinion, shouldn't be partitioning drives. Redundancy and high high overheads are key, regardless of platform.
As for viruses, I think I've only ever had two on the PC - once on an a machine I inherited from a (..n obviously incompetent) tech company (WinXp on a 256mb box, happy days) and another from a dodgy warez site last year on my XP laptop. I panicked, but it was easily resolved.
I DO NOT believe Macs are significantly more stable, given the amount of problems I have to help the (admittedly noobish) mac users here with and the reports I hear on the net (tbf, mostly involving Adobe software..).
- Atkinson0
I did a lot of research, mac / pc recently becasue I was sick of apple. I had a few broken machines over 18 months and I was sick of their 'we're going to make your life better' type ads.
In Apples favour they gave me a lot of free stuff, including upgrades, external hard drive, processor...Stuff I wouldn't have got elsewhere. I spent time looking at windows and using it and couldn't help but stick with apple. Just my 2 penneth.- so you will not switch to windows, even though you want to leave mac?popovich
- no, because windows / pc didn't compete in my opinion. Build quality was an important factor too.Atkinson
- So you compared a shitty PC to a good Mac?404NotFound
- top spec laptop / top spec mbpAtkinson
- pressplay0
seems like you have already decided to switch to mac, then why open another thread for this overly discussed issue? If you just want to rant about windows, post in one of the other 10000 threads... btw I switched from a windows laptop to macbook pro four years ago, never faced any serious trouble, machine was runnig ultra stable until last week keyboard and trackpad went dead... I guess a four year lifespan is ok... thinking about getting a new computer, will stick to apple/ OS X. My advice: get yourself whatever your workflow suits best, don‘t look at the money... 500 bucks more or less for a thing you spend half of the time you are awake in front of and you earn your money with do not really count... *opens new thread: help! macbook keyboard dead - who can help*
- popovich0
@pressplay nope, I have not decided yet. Just 8 months ago I was hesitating whether it should be a dell, sony or a mbpro notebook, and vaio won. It is running good until today, but its only duty is to surf the web. the left button on the touchpad looks bad now....
as for the desktop — I really couldn't care less what machinery I have until it is in black plastic and works. OK, ignore the plastic — it should be working and I have to understand what's going on. I used to work a little on a Mac some years ago, and I was not astonished at all.
But then again, this re-installing is just getting out of hands. Every 2 years I have to carefully consider a whole new motherboard / ram / hdd / cpu bundle and re-install windows to be sure, it works as intended. 4 years life span for a computer seems pretty much fair to me. If it works.
- orrinward0
I generally like Macs, but my worst bit of 'WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DO THAT' happened to me in my second year at Uni on a Mac. I was duplicating my work for 2 modules, copying (not cutting) from the standalone Mac to my external hard drive. At the end of copying, I looked on my hard drive and no files were put in the folder. I went to my Mac and all my files had vanished.
This has happened subsequently twice on smaller projects, with a different USB device.
- you can't "cut" files in the Finder, so I don't believe anything you just saidmonospaced
- I dragged and dropped, and both sets of data disappeared. Don;t know how, don;t know why.orrinward
- I just presume some sort of data error.orrinward
- I presume it was user error.monospaced
- whereRI0
i dont get any virus warnings when i watch interwebs porn...
* touch wood
- ckentish0
like someone said if its your business you probably should be upgrading every 2 years anyway.
these damn pesky computers do update fast these days.
- pressplay0
my post wasn‘t about the looks of the thing... my point is: no one on an internet forum can give you advice what suits your work best. Computers are complex and so is the your individual setup. If you ask 100 people what they are using and how it works for them you will get 100 different answers and even more because everybody knows someone who got a mac and after one week it exploded or someone else with a windows pc that got a virus and melted... don‘t take this as an offense but you are just starting another useless discussion...
- popovich0
I know. Useless. I just had to let it out really....
- monospaced0
- you have tons of these, right? c'mon, let them all out.popovich
- no, I just lifted them from other threadsmonospaced
- also googlemonospaced
- trooperbill0
im lovnig windows 7, and trust me apple machines crash and have issues just as mich as the standard pc however you do have to pay £££ more for a half decent apple system plus all the software again.
do some tinkering in windows 7 and youll be fine.
btw i have both
- ckentish0
I have a Commodore Amiga and its so bad - it keeps crashing on me, netaccess is really slow etc. Do you think I should upgrade? Someone told me the Atari ST is cool for music n stuff but I'm just not sure. One has a better interface and graphics but the other has more software... Can anyone help? Its a minefield out there.
- twokids0
i think people who work with computers (ie almost everyone) and especially those who rely on it for a living (like designers) should stop being crybabies and shut the fuck up and just deal with the general instability that ALL computers have....and always have.
these are complex machines and due to the fact that hardware and software changes daily they will never be 'locked down' and so the you will never be able to have a system that is foolproof - there is never enough time or dedicated energy in the industry to produce anything that does not crash, etc. etc. its all about the next thing. that then fucks up your computer.
I mean i guess some linux systems go years without rebooting, but I dont have the time to be that big of a geek. every try linux...thats complex shit.
I just figure my machine will crash once a day and i save my work enough that it doesnt kill me. and i back things up in two places. and reinstall the OS once a year...just to clean the machine up.
so quit yer crying and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- Your machine crashes once a day? That fucking sucks. Mine go weeks and weeks without even needing to reboot.monospaced
- i exaggerated a litte...but maybe every other day? every three day?
windows man....not as stable as mac for sure.twokids - mac. that i do know. but macs arent foolproof eithertwokids
- Macs are def not foolproof, but they aren't prone or expected to crash really...ever. If they do it's rare (3x a year)monospaced
- i know. but i have to use a windows machine at work. thats life. ive learn to deal.twokids
- Been using Windows 7 since it's release. Crashed 0 times.404NotFound
