Religulous
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- gramme0
Anyway, haven't we already talked about this damned movie and every tangential subject ad nauseum?
- kona0
This thread isn't complete yet.
- But now you're here. I am complete.gramme
- gramme, you can be zellweger in this situationneowe
- Right, I was waiting for a fart joke from you to make it complete.DrBombay
- lol gramme but no, you complete me. you,... complete, me.kona
- BAHAHA, you were just waiting weren't you... WAITING for me to say something weren't you. LOLkona
- neowe0
King James can (and probably did) suck a dick.
- gramme0
You've misunderstood me, and jumped to some unwarranted conclusions, haven't you?
Faith, at its core, involves belief in something intangible. But faith is often informed by history, and by facts anyone can observe. The point I was making is that I didn't have to leave my brain at the door when I became a Christian. There are questions science can answer, and questions it cannot. Science is rooted in the study of tangible things. Science cannot produce physical evidence and say "we've peered through the looking glass, gathered proof, and lo/behond: there is no metaphysical realm."
So, there is actually content in my statement, simple though it may be: science is incapable of dismissing the possibility of the supernatural. I'm acutely aware that I can't argue very strongly FOR the spiritual world from a scientific perspective. And that's as it should be; we would be naive to assume that science can answer all of our questions.
Another way of stating my original point is that it requires a leap of faith—faith in a misunderstanding of what science can actually prove—to say that faith and logic may not coexist without contradicting one another.
- @mikogramme
- aside: hi, fellow MO'n!mikotondria3
- Hi Bud! One day we'll share pints.gramme
- yes :) and argue about religion and typefaces.
Not sports though.mikotondria3
- vitamins0
God gave us logic, yet he's punishing us for using it?
- mikotondria30
Which religious belief is not incompatible with what logistical principle ?
Ultimate achievement by what measure ?Your response, Gramme, is honestly so typical of those that I receive in these arguments, but it really has no content.. Basically, it's a way of responding to the accusation that there is no evidence of the Supernaturalism you declare to be real and true and that has an effect on physical things in the real world, by saying "ah ! there isn't any evidence, but so what ? evidence isn't necessary in this particular case, we've just brazenly asserted, so ner !, we *could* still be right, on your terms, if we just change the rules a little bit".
It's very weak, really, isn't it ?
- gramme0
The fact that religious belief of any kind is rooted in faith does not make it incompatible with logic, unless one considers human logic to be the ultimate achievement in the universe.
- Reality is firmly routed in logic though - and in order to live a reasonably coherent life we need reality.lukus_W
- *rooted (too much computer speak)lukus_W
- But is reality merely that which is tangible, and testable by logic? Or could it possibly encompass things which are intangible?gramme
- intangible?gramme
- Reality is a human construct which is useful to us - it's a prism which we use to view our part of the universe.lukus_W
- There are definitely more ways to view our part of the universe, but evolution has crafted us in such a way that our ability to rationalise serves an essential purpose to our lives.lukus_W
- rationalise serves an essential purpose to our lives.lukus_W
- We can choose to have faith in an 'other' - but history has taught blind-faith to be less productive.lukus_W
- Has it indeed?gramme
- Do you disagree? What are your thoughts?lukus_W
- DRIFTMONKEY0
My parents always told me growing up to just respect what Jesus did. Not the dying part, but what he taught people. The message seemed pretty simple. Be kind to each other, love your neighbor, and don't hurt people. I don't have to worship deities or quote the bible to practice this.
- neowe0
steam - water - ice
- nosaj0
Ukit,
I'd prefer to watch an interview with an intelligent person that believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster than a simple person who is a target for easy humour. That said, I think it would be pretty hard to find one. There are a lot of bright Christians though.
- HijoDMaite0
Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope.
P. J. O'Rourke- <THIS, its too easy, so ide rather not. i may not need that belief in my life to survive but..moldero
- who am i to say someone else doesn't have the right..moldero
- there are some people out there who dont kill, or rape just because of a fear of godmoldero
- good, but then again there are countries at war because of religion toomoldero
- i just stay out of it, if you need that belief more power to you, itd be nice if there was a godmoldero
- as a kid i was forced into religion in almost a cult like manner, i know the bible in and outmoldero
- being forced left a bad taste in my mouth, so when i was 16 i read other thingsmoldero
- many non western christian style religions, science, etc.moldero
- to me all that made more sense than Christianity.moldero
- oh btw HijoDMaite these posts arent directed at you, sorry, im just attempting to fly under the radar right heremoldero
- :pmoldero
- haha no worries.HijoDMaite
- ukit0
Only criticism I have with "discuss religion with intelligent Christians"...
If I told you I worshipped the Flying Spaghetti Monster or that the Easter Bunny was real, would you demand a serious debate between academic equals? What about over Scientology? Mormonism?
Why is Christianity worthy of debate but not others? At some point it's all just "religion" and trying to debate it all is pointless, the debate would be over in five minutes. The thing is that most religious people are not basing their belief on reason, but on personal feelings/ culture and other things.
- yeah, it's pointless .. because they're never ever going to come round to the idea that God doesn't exist.lukus_W
- vitamins0
I'm more upset with people trying to convince me with Christianity since college only to leave me more confused. I'm not just basing my opinions from Religulous, but from other resources on the biography of Jesus, and God's from around the world. I'm still doing some personal investigation to satisfy this void in me that wants answers. I have to be honest here, that the more i'm finding out, the more childish, superstitious and outrageous Christianity is sounding to me.
- georgesIII0
@ vitamins,
Nobody forced you to believe the lie,
Do you get angry at your parent for convincing you the tooth fairy existed?I watched religulous and found it quite entertaining, but now placing it on a piedestal like it is not a biased and carefully mounted documentary is a little too much for me, the same goes when I watch biased religious docs,
my motto has always been live and let live, I've never been bothered by fundies but somehow in the US you managed to let them gain enough power to be the minority which has and will rule your way of life,
You should wake up but not by attacking the people who have faith in a god because of the few extremist one,
- ukit0
Random observation - if you watch Maher for a while and then David Duchovny in Californication (where I'm guessing he pretty much plays himself), it's like they were separated at birth. Same mannerisms, attitude, etc
- vitamins0
I think the best way to become a atheist is reading the bible.
- sigg0
*gets popcorn
- vitamins0
The reason why i'm so upset was that I feel i've been lied to all these years. The more I looking into Christianity, the more unreasonable it sounds.
- nosaj0
I agree mcmillions. He had a chance to make a truly interesting film, it would have been great to see him discuss religion with intelligent Christians instead of picking easy targets. He's a strong debater he should have picked a fight with equals.
- dMullins0
I am not religious at all, but religious humor does nothing for me. I'm actually more offended by people who think it's funny to bash other peoples' beliefs for the sake of a laugh.
That said, I love Bill Maher when he's applying his ludicrous blanket statements to politics and not religion.