Spanish revolution- World Revolution against establishmente
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- lowimpakt0
raf - do you think that someone has the power to prevent someone from working? (within the context of legality)
- lowimpakt0
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
- raf0
From Manifesto:
"These are inalienable truths that we should abide by in our society: the right to housing, employment, culture, health, education, political participation, free personal development, and consumer rights for a healthy and happy life."
I have a right to work or to rent/buy a house or work for an employer if I can find one—of course.
But they make it seem like people were owed employment and housing. Even if they were, they would be privileges, not rights.
- jadrian_uk0
Re-evolution
- SGR780
- more like a raveutopian
- That sign is written in English.Horp
- nop it's hebrewjadrian_uk
- SGR780
@some of the people here
I thought this was a creative community, not a bunch conformist, egocentric hipsters who rest comfortably in front of a computer and just criticize the effort of people who are trying to help society, people who fight for a better world. Keep it up guys. That's exactly how they want you to be... enjoy your Pringles while you change the world in front of a screen.
- ah to be young and naivealdebaran
- color me old and naive thenTheBlueOne
- completely agree with you SGRset
- Pringles? Who's got Pringles?Horp
- Weyland0
Get back to work and fix the Spanish debt before the rest of Europe has to hold your hand and tie your shoes again, sheesh
- Tool, Iceland wont pay netherland they instead give the middle finger to your banksters, nice hein ?jadrian_uk
- raf0
Don't expect the government to create jobs—how could they do that, other than creating more bureaucratic positions (which they do)? They can't provide productive jobs.
It's the employers who create jobs, not governments. It's the wealthy people and the industrious people with initiative who start companies, produce stuff and create value and—as a side effect—jobs. Unfortunately, in a socialist country like Spain, those people are considered the evil that oppresses the working class.
Spain's system stands out in Europe in that it's rigged in a way that protects the employees, favours large companies and makes it very hard for those who create most value: small business—under the guise of social protection. This is the real reason behind Spanish unemployment.
Just to be registered as a freelancer, it costs €3000 per year in social tax. This is regardless of whether or not you have any income, which is taxed separately of course. This is in a country where minimum wage is in the region of €500/month and prices are well... European.
Let's compare...
In the UK: the same social tax for a freelancer/small company is around £100/year (or small percentage of income, but ONLY IF you have any!)
In Ireland: 5% of your income (ONLY IF you have any!), but no less than €256 per year.
In Spain a freelancer pays €250 per month, income or no income (similarly e.g. in Poland).
As a direct result, unless you have really loads of freelance work, you have no chance of making it as self-employed and effectively are forced to slave for larger companies. Most freelancers work in the black market, paid under the table—this excludes serious contracts, actually, any contracts. This isn't a sustainable situation.
It is good to see that some people in Spain are conscious about this situation and make it heard:
- pr20
Raf, i disagree with your optimism related to free-market economy.
Privative does not always equal better and cheaper.
Here private prison in US offer no savings:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/1…Deregulation (thus privatization) only create sub-minimum wave jobs and fill the coffers of the very few on the top.
Here shocking look at privatization of Dutch postal services:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/200…- second link should link to different article, but this one is good too.pr2
- here is the correct link:
http://www.guardian.…pr2 - But they're infrastructure works that have been privatised? An entirely spurious comparison.detritus
- Capitalism is about experimentation — sure, shit goes wrong, but overall, it's a better driver than bureacracydetritus
- You can entertain a balance between free enterprise and state — as in the Nordic bloc. It's not black and white.detritus
- I'm not calling for privatisation of everything (I'm not against though). Just let people do their work...raf
- what do Spaniards (or Poles) get for that $250/month?pr2
- cause i pay %30 in taxes and get nothing but constant wars here in the USApr2
- They pay 24-43% income tax (20% self employed in Poland) on top of this social tax.raf
- They get healthcare, but so do ppl in the UK or other countries where small startups aren't penalized.raf
- TheBlueOne0
Raf, ssk the Irish how all that Free Market rah-rah-rah worked out huh? They were what? Oh yeah they were the Great Celtic Tiger that set the example to lead all of Europe out of it's socialist morass...yes, that worked out well.
I guess you're overlooking the ability for nations to keep their wealth within their own borders through actual governance, regulation and sane taxation policies rather than let global capital oligarchs chase the cheapest and most exploitive labor buck by sloshing whatever they can steal across borders with no consequence. It stuns me how people who rally around this whole free market idea seem utterly unaware of how actually out of whack the power ratio is growing between the haves and have nots and how government capture by wealth elites is the problem - who use it to create policies to favor their class- and then get the side benefit of telling the proverbial Joe Six packs that "Hey, the government doesn't work!" No shit. It's a feature now, not a bug thanks to governmental and regulatory capture.
- jadrian_uk0
Irish economy is a big failure from a country pov: It gives full power to some people and let the other rotten.If they see economy that way they better just forget about what a country is.
- tangoxray30
Maybe if everyone keeps rioting , there will be more work available with the Police Department. ;-)
- tangoxray30
Supply = Demand
Demand = Supply- suck = my ballsset
- I would first have to "demand" your balls, then when you "supply" them, I will give you $5 to "suck" them. Congratulations on your new "job" !tangoxray3
- Congratulations on your new "job" !tangoxray3
- sounds good to me.set
- Now suck my balls.set
- Cash or charge sir ?tangoxray3
- Less talk = more suckset
- =Dset
- ernexbcn0
@SGR78 I'm not dissing the movement, I even went a couple of nights to the acampada in Plaça Catalunya.
What troubles me is that with 5 million people unemployed how come there are only max 20k people in the gathering? everyone I know who's been constantly assisting are doing it after work, which is pretty sad. There is something wrong going on here when so many people are without a job and they don't seem to really care but much about it, because they are staying home.
It pisses me off.
- lowimpakt0
"Don't expect the government to create jobs—how could they do that, other than creating more bureaucratic positions (which they do)? They can't provide productive jobs."
eh what?
everything from roads, airports, schools, universities, research centres, fiscal systems, court systems, IP frameworks, international trade laws, national trade subsidies, innovation policies, employment policies, business laws, training programmes, business districts, tourism, cultural policy, immigration law, tax breaks, technology transfer, grants, business loans, diplomatic trade missions, sectoral development programmes, supply chain development programmes (especially in auto, aerospace sectors ), waste infrastructure, water supplies, fucking street lamps and a million other things are all factors that impact on how businesses can develop and grow and these are currently provided by governments.
these are developed by governments as most are "public goods" that aren't provided by the private sector because most of them don't have a profit motivation.
When the system fails it isn't because of one or two single factors but it's often a complex array of failures.
but any business that doesn't recognise the depth and breath that their licence and capacity to operate as a business has been subsidised and developed by governments needs and education.
- by government i also mean "the public" as in people.lowimpakt
- tangoxray30
Not Joking!
