Detained for photography in Baltimore
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- dibec0
I know this is one incident ... but man ... when you read all these it kinda starts pissing me off.
- duhsign0
hmm, in LA or SD this dude would prob have ended up hogtied. He has balls and within his rights for the most part. But it is a lame point to try and push. The police are more than friendly and accommodating to him even letting him continue to tape even after they asked him not to tape them.
- < my point exactly. and In Chicago too..plash
- Oddly enough, this is also my point: what the cops in THIS incident did INITIALLY was not out of bounds. The LA & SD stuff ISlocustsloth
- IS out of boundslocustsloth
- and i agree. it did not get bloody or out of hand.plash
- but i expect due process to happen.plash
- my main argument is that with a little common sense and common courtesy, a conflict MAY have been avoidedlocustsloth
- Police have an obligation to investigate suspicious activity, the MTA employee asked the police to do solocustsloth
- this guy's obstinacy escalated the incident. Form the first officer's mannerisms, i get the sense he would have just liked to do due diligence and get the fuck outta therelocustsloth
- do due diligence and get the fuck outta there. And of course, i could be wrong and they could have acted like dicks anyway. But we'll never know.locustsloth
- aldebaran0
He did 100% absolutely nothing wrong.
Payday.
- bjladams0
kind of off subject, but yesterday i saw a lady broken down trying to pour water into a smoking radiator in her car. within 50 ft was a cop hiding behind some bushes with his radar gun out trying to catch speeders. "to protect and serve" plastered down the side of his car. didnt make any sense to me.
on the other side, i know a policeman who goes far out of his way to help out anybody on or off the clock. i suppose it all comes down to human involvement and personalities.
- jfletcher0
So he was a jerk, but the officers were out of line....bottom line is they were wrong, not him. In baltimore there are a lot better things to do that pick on someone for taking pictures. Although both parties just seemed to be wasting time :\
- aldebaran0
"can i see your ID is the same as show me your papers. .."
Exactly.
- fooler0
1. He's from Portland, Oregon (AKA Little Beirut) where everyone is an anarchist/terrorist.
2. He should be glad these officers treating him with some respect and dignity. In Portland, OR cops shoot first, ask questions second.
3. That weirdo took pics of the new green line where I pick up the max.
4. He did sound exactly like Milton from Office Space or Deaf Frat Guy from Howard Stern
5. A Few years ago there was some guy in Seattle that was arrested for taking pictures of bridges.- 6. He did absolutely nothing wrong.aldebaran
- 7. 1-5 are besides the fact and are excuses for police to side step people's right.Dodecahedron
- 7. you're right but if you're doing nothing wrong shouldn't you comply to the officers request instead of acting more guilty and suspicious?fooler
- #4: video says he's hard of hearing at the beginning...bjladams
- plash0
there is a reason we have the Miranda rights.
and when you are being "interviewed" by the police they are not there to protect you. in fact, at that point; they are looking for reason to arrest you.
- locustsloth0
But he wasn't being "interviewed". The fucking cop asked him why he was taking pictures in the most innocuous, almost jovial way, and the guy's response was "Because i like to and you can't legally stop me"
i guess this is my stumbling block. i can't get past the feeling that these guys were just doing their job (investigating someone at the request of the MTA employee) until the guy decided to obfuscate and be elusive, rather than having a conversation with someone you'd like to be on your side.
Again, they very well may have acted like jerks anyway if the guy had just explained himself, but i don't see why, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have to act this way toward authority figures.
- aldebaran0
"these guys were just doing their job "
No they weren't. At no point does their job include enforcing non existent laws.
- How are they supposed to enforce the law without being able to speak to anyone who they think is suspicious?Aper
- He then behaved badly towards them. What are they supposed to do?Aper
- he didn't behave badly, you nutcase.CanHasQBN
- They were asked to investigate by the employee, hence they were doing their job. If they'd mosey-ed up to him on their own, it'd be slightly differentlocustsloth
- it'd be slightly differentlocustsloth
- He didnt do himself any favours by being rude and uncooperative, even if he was rightAper
- so someones ability to take a picture/movie depends on how nice he is to security?plash
- prophetone0
“Do you have Maryland state identification on you?” the officer asked.
This is where it crosses the line for me. They should be able to talk to the guy and ask what he's up to, fair enough, but that's where it should end imo. but to go so far as threatening arrest and asking for him to produce i.d?
- They didn't ask for that until he refused to engage in a reasonable conversation about why he was therelocustsloth
- he didn't have to engage in a conversation, as once again, he didn't do anything wrong.aldebaran
- they can't ask for his i.d. no matter what the case unless he's breaks the law, am i wrong?prophetone
- he was asking them decent questions about their reasoning and they were feeding him bad info.prophetone
- they asked him reasonable questions in a polite manner and were met with obfuscationlocustsloth
- locustsloth0
i all honesty, i don't understand what the big deal is about flashing your ID. Can someone explain this to me? You show your id at a liquor store, or when you use a check sometimes. Why is it a big deal to show you are who you say you are when it comes to police?
- *In all honestylocustsloth
- Its a matter of context and police pushing legal boundries when there is little reason.Dodecahedron
- you have had different experience with cops than i.. being latino male in chicago. shit, to them, we're all suspects..plash
- suspects..plash
- You're right, plash, and that fucking sucks that you've been forced into that perspectivelocustsloth
- aldebaran0
The defense of the law in this thread is simply bizarre and a bit frightening.
- The swiftness with which people will, for no good reason, put themselves in OPPOSITION of the law is equally solocustsloth
- He never was in opposition to the law...aldebaran
- i'm talking about the people in this thread.locustsloth
- i seealdebaran
- Not really, both of them handled this wrong and its reasonable to point out where some of the fault liesAper
- Dodecahedron0
Yeah plash I was about to say if he were black or hispanic he would have on the ground in cuffs in seconds.
- i_monk0
His right to be a turd is your right as well.
- dibec0
I <3 QBN!
- Dodecahedron0
This is obviously a mild incident but its a slippery slope. Photographers and videographers are being turned into suspects for a reason far beyond terrorist or criminal threats. In the grand scheme of things it has to do with controlling information and the media.