design advise
- Started 13 years ago
- Last post 13 years ago
- 32 Responses
- d_rek0
You know, I get that sometimes we really want to be decent human beings and really want to try to help others succeed... and it sounds like you are one of the rare decent human beings trying to help a friend succeed, bjadams.
But sometimes, some people just need to fail in order to learn. Sometimes they need to fail real fucking hard. Otherwise they never learn and never appreciate what they have.
- In fairness (don't wanna sound a cliche) but I he fails and keeps going he no doubt will be a success...then again he will NEED to be that 0.5% who can just plow on. In which case he's a born entrepreneur - fuck it. If no one tried...babaganush
- Needto be the 0.5% that can summon the superhuman energy - either way it's innate. Born entrepreneur or not...shiny studio not good thoughbabaganush
- ..not good start thoughbabaganush
- bjladams0
haha, thanks- i'm not really out to help him so much. he's an acquaintance and just had a short chat with him and a few emails were exchanged. i've got nothing invested with him, and he's not the sort of personality i'd want to associate my own work with.
the conversation just sent my mind down the road, and i remembered thinking the same sorts of things about my self, right out of school - and i suppose i'm really just thinking of what advise would i give myself if i could step back in time.
- doesnotexist0
just found this, worth a read
Harvard Business Review - Leading Creative People
- melq0
1) Straight out of school to owning your own firm is a wonderful idea if you're an arrogant kind of fellow that likes reinventing the wheel and putting in twice the amount of effort on rudimentary business tasks while slowly going broke.
2) Allweys speelchak.
- melq0
3) "9 Beliefs of Remarkably Successful People"
http://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/9-…
- fredddddd0
Unless he's incredibly creative and unique and a good networker, he's wrong.
It takes more than 4 years to master anything.
If he's average, tell him that doing logos for bullshit companies and stupid brochures and websites for random people gets really tiring. Getting a job at a big agency can give you lots of interesting experiences.
Also, if he's not a really social person, studios can be quiet and boring.
- cannonball19780
^ #7-9 hell no. Transaction is a two-way relationship.
- ^cannonball1978
- Spoken like someone that didn't have to make payroll this week.melq
- If that's the case for you then you have different problems seeding your problems meeting payroll.cannonball1978
- Say again, please.melq
- crillix0
I've learned so much from the several jobs I have had and would still feel like a complete noob if I went out on my own. I think that was good advice, shame he wasn't more open minded.
- moldero0
it was always the fresh out of school guys who were the biggest pain in the ass. they never knew jack shit, but always acted like they did in a meeting, but in private their all buddy buddy, "hey man, help me out, how do you do this" these kids never lasted long.
- melq0
@cannonball
"7. As long as I'm paid well, it's all good."
You're unwilling to do work outside of your comfort zone, even though a client is willing to pay for it?"8. People who pay me always have the right to tell me what to do."
The headline is hyperbolic; the rest of the text basically says "don't be an arrogant ass." You disagree?"9. The extra mile is a vast, unpopulated wasteland."
Are you saying putting in extra effort is beyond you?
- monNom0
pass this along to your friend:
http://designprofessionalism.com…
- gramme0
I agree with what identity and many others have said. Until design schools are turning out students with multiple degrees in business administration, psychology, anthropology, and art history AS WELL as design, and with at least two apprenticeships – yes, apprenticeships – under their belts, then I'd tell your friend to go work for someone else until the arrogance has been beaten out of him.