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- ben_1
Just browsing the NRA site earlier to see how they communicate their point of view on these issues and on the home page, even in the wake of tragedy, they have links to these two articles:
https://www.nrablog.com/articles…
https://www.americas1stfreedom.o…
The second is a beauty, ending off with this little bit of inspiration:
"America’s Rifle"
While those who hate guns would have you think the AR-15 is nothing more than a murder machine, in truth it’s the musket of our day—everyman’s rifle, proudly owned by patriotic men and women of all ages, colors and interests. As Dom Raso said in his recent video: “I guarantee you, if the Founding Fathers would have known this gun was going to be invented, they wouldn’t have rewritten the Second Amendment, they would have fortified it in stone. Because they knew the only way for us to stay free is by having whatever guns the bad guys have. This firearm gives average people the advantage they so desperately need and deserve to protect their life, liberty and happiness.”
Regardless of why we, as Americans, choose to own AR-15 rifles, we will always face the scoffers—Second Amendment deniers who would be happy to take away our right to own any gun. In the end, we don’t need to puzzle for answers to anyone who rudely asks us, “Why do you need an AR-15?” Instead, we should simply ask our own question: “Why should the government be able to deny us the constitutionally protected right to own one?”
- omfg ... the "bad guys" ?monospaced
- These cunts need to be destroyed.face_melter
- "the musket of our day..." eesh.ben_
- Bennn3
Quotes from someone I follow from iceland :
''The rate of gun ownership in Iceland is pretty much on par with the United States, yet gun-related crime is virtually unheard of. So ... WHY?''
"90,000 Guns But No Gun-Related Crimes"
https://grapevine.is/mag/feature…There's 90,000 guns for 330,000 people in Iceland and there's no gun related crimes....
- Education, morals, common sense, lack of fear-inducing-media, etc, etc...Maaku
- ^BabySnakes
- ^^Bennn
- ^^^OBBTKN
- A fair amount has to do with economic equality i expect.wagshaft
- colin_s1
That unanswerable question of 'why' is always what will, in the end, protect the second amendment / NRA defense. Because if someone says gun violence is an access issue, you can point to Iceland. If it's a discussion about mental health than it can be deferred to health care, or any number of ridiculous "what inspired this" tangential dialogue (video games / media, political influence, prejudices) that then becomes the narrative.
The issue is that it is so complicated, especially given America's inception as a violent state, our evolution and militaristic definition that has grown alongside the various technological, civic and social advances that made society both disparate but, at face value, ideal.
(I consider the biggest irony to be that the invention that could have saved us all came along at exactly the right time, and I think that's why we all still partially admire the internet from the 90s/early aughts. It represented the hope of a new society, a new dialogue that could leave behind the plagues of our old systems. Instead, it's now much like the America we hate: 3 major corporations fighting to control as much as possible.)
Anyway, I just saw that there was another shooting in Texas, but it's not considered an "active shooter" situation because there was a motive (aka just not a random attack) ... and I think it's really fucked up now we're differentiating between mass murders based on how targeted they were.
- imbecile0
the polarization of gun ownership = NRA support is a large contributor to the failure of the reform of gun laws.
the percentage of responsible legal gun owners is too high to have a lambasting argument have any impact.
as a gun owner, these school shootings don't bother me. violence will be expressed in other ways.
accepting that, as a people, another group would control your choices while denying you rights and freedoms is silly.
equalize wages
socialize healthcare
improve the food supply
reduce big pharma medicationsdo something to impact the user, not the result.
a society held down and robbed of guns is no better than a society held down with guns
care about the people before implementing a law that disarms hundreds of thousands of legal gun owners.
i'm down for reform, not just being told what to do.
- You've been told that buying guns is your right and makes you a proper citizen and you went out and bought them.lowimpakt
- the arms industry salutes you.lowimpakt
- a result of overemotionalising the firearm. your input has lowimpakt. :Dimbecile
- "as a gun owner, these school shootings don't bother me." As a gun owner I'm horrified and angered.GM278
- as a gun owner, they don't. as a person, they do. my ability to separate the two gives me a different perspective than you in these matters it would seem.imbecile
- allthethings0
https://www.mediamatters.org/blo…
David Brooks needs to shut up
The NY Times columnist believes gun violence will be solved by “respect” for toxic gun culture
- ********-6
It's alarming that people think this way.
- Teachers are heros, but I've seen them struggle to run an overhead projector. Plus, this isn't the wild wild west and I don't want a GD shootout on schoolkona
- school grounds, bullets flying every which way. Arming teachers is about as stupid as putting out a fire with gasoline.kona
- Lastly, the mf'ing government doesn't have $ for pencils and toner for schools but now all of a sudden it has a budget for Glocks? GTFOkona
- **FYI, if you read the comic, it's clearly pro-arming teachers and "mocking" the ban guns guy, which I am obviously against.********
- as per kona's -- it's bewildering that they'd be willing to find money for guns in schools and not pencils and booksGnash
- They would expect the teachers to bring their own or guilt trip the parents into pooling their money to buy them for the schoolR_Kercz
- what a dopey post.utopian
- it's unreal that "arm teachers" is actually consider as an option. you might as well say "ban schools"Miguex
- Arm teachers, arm students then ban schools when school shootings don't stop. Problem solved.mandomafioso
- it's NOT considered an option, it's just something retards bring up because they like when guns are used to kill other kidsmonospaced
- instrmntl1
This is in the politics thread but putting here as well. Its a good post...
“Fuck you, I like guns.”
https://agingmillennialengineer.…- "Site blocked due to security treat"Maaku
- threat*Maaku
- < Agreed, this is a very good article...and as someone who served, I agree with all his points.GM278
- too much opinion / weak metaphorsimbecile
- Well firstly his metaphors dumb it down for the "we need our ar15s crowd"GM278
- I think his opinion matters as he was in the army...where he shouldered an m-4 vs the guy who never served who thinks its their divine right to own one.GM278
- car metaphor is weak and falls apart with any discussion. doesn't matter if he served. divine? no. just not acceptable for you in our current climate obviouslyimbecile
- How does his experience with the weapon not matter? Tell me, what climate are you in where you need or can justify a weapon like that?GM278
- In full disclosure I own firearms...more than one. I don't however own an assault rifle, nor do I feel anyone outside the military should.GM278
- Give me one god damned example of a civilian saving a school full of kids or stoping anything on this level with an ar15.GM278
- Joe Shitbird can walk into a gun store and buy one of these vs the years I gave the military and claims to have equal say or opinion. Sorry, I don't agree.GM278
- Not that it matters, but the writer is a woman.instrmntl
- A woman?! That totally changes my argument. More guns for everyone!!! (joke) Thanks for posting the article.GM278
- imbecile0
https://www.usatoday.com/story/n…
Conspiracy theorists find Florida student activists too good to be true
In some far-flung conspiracy quarters, the articulate, determined Florida high school students leading a gun-control movement are literally too good to be true. They are "crisis actors."
The assertion, which has rocketed around the Internet, has even cost an aide to a Florida state representative his job.
Benjamin Kelly, district secretary for Rep. Shawn Harrison, emailed a reporter for the Tampa Bay Times that several students who appeared on television criticizing lawmakers on gun-control laws actually travel to different incidents when they happen.
- Miguex-4
Might as well be this too
- equally ridiculous as to "arm the teachers"Miguex
- I think the argument is to ALLOW those teachers who currently carry outside wk to carry at school (versus arming everyone up)GM278
- ^ Sorry meant to post that on your next postGM278
- might as well say "hire mexican cartels to protect schools"Miguex
- BTW I'm not a fan of the idea...just clarifyingGM278
- I wouldn't let my kid go to a school where a teacher was packing. Ever.monospaced
- Technically banning guns is a solutioncannonball1978
- of course it ismonospaced
- Miguex10
- +1OBBTKN
- not to mention, this would destroy the entire school system as we know it, from the top downmonospaced
- Ramanisky23
Brutal exchange, poor Little Marco.
- PhanLo4
The best possible outcome.
- Must be a private school...no way a teacher can afford to drop almost $3K on an mp5. Not on her salary. :/GM278
- The teachers firearms and training should be provided by the school - it only makes sense :/desmo
- There's always money for guns.PhanLo
- this is cool, recess fights are going to be epic!_niko
- I wonder what kind of training teachers would need to be able to pull the trigger on one of their own students.ben_
- lol, to even think teachers would accept guns in the first place ...monospaced
- I know, it's so obtuse.ben_
- That arming teachers is seriously being discussed, shows how broken the society is.PhanLo
- it's NOT seriously being discussed ... only fucking drooling retards even entertain the idea, and if that includes a QBN member, your'e fucking retarded toomonospaced
- Didn't the man who is seemingly in charge of the country not mention more than a few times as a solution?PhanLo
- he did, but since he's fucking retard, it's not "seriously" being discussed ... I thought that was clear to anyone who isn't retardedmonospaced
- the point is, if you're suggesting arming teachers or guards at schools, you've already excused yourself from a serious discussionmonospaced
- There's already armed guards in some schools. But you're right Mono, nothing will happen, nothing will change. Next week there will be a new one.PhanLo
- exador13
the whole 'giving the teachers guns' thing always makes me think of this bit from Colin Quinn...
- colin_s2
How the fuck are second amendment lunatics not freaking the fuck out at the idea of state-sponsored program to arm a group of citizens? The police are rampantly violent, the white house is unhinged and congress is completely bought and sold ... this is exactly the type of government a well-regulated militia should fear.
Yet guns are somehow the crux of who is on the right side vs who is in the wrong in this. Wild.
- Haven't they always been hypocrites? The same group says 'my president right or wrong' when a Republican is in office but hang effigies of Democrats.i_monk
- That lie that Obama was going to give people free cell phones gave Fox News viewers an aneurysm but Trump handing out glocks is a wet dreamcolin_s
- utopian2
- &*(^&*^(*#$%&(*%&$^^...err
- Yeah.. give the teacher with a power trip a gun. It's bad enough they are making $25,000 a year now your going to incentive assholes to become teachers.hotroddy
- How many teachers are armed in the rest of the world? Where else?!!!
and... lol@20%nbq - 20% number is based on his approval rating with teachers.ben_
- I really hope these Quisling bastards get destroyed at the polls. When someone says the answer to the gun problem is... more guns it makes me fucking rage.face_melter
- Once again the line between schools and prisons is further blurred in a country who's historical success is 100% firearm dependant.ideaist
- US schools in the near future
http://news.bbc.co.u…Beeswax - Don't think more or less guns will solve anything. Need to work on a society where children don't feel the need to murder their classmates every three days.PhanLo
- such an odd country when it unravels, it must be slightly embarrassing travelling abroad as a US citizen at mo.fadein11
- The gun thing is the one question I get again and again as an American when traveling. People in most parts of the world think it's insane that this is even upyuekit
- for debate.yuekit
- Give guns to teachers? how soon before a unstable teacher looses it in class and guns down all his students?shapesalad
- what a jokeinteliboy
- ffs, why are people talking about this? it won't ever happen, it's even more idiotic than a wall between USA and Mexicomonospaced
