Shooting of the Day
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- orrinward20
Not certain on this, but I'm pretty sure the Swiss are required a rifle by law after undergoing a year of full time military service and training.
They are permitted to have one rifle - A Sig550 and they are not allowed to take it out of their home. Some time in the last 10 years the law changed as well, so they couldn't carry ammunition. You had to get it from an armory if the country were called to war or a state of emergency.
The Swiss have a lot of guns but they are still heavily controlled - Much more so than the US. Their regulation is actually a lot closer to the archaic 'Right to bear arms' bollocks that gets spewed around.
The general trend is that the less guns there are, the less innocent deaths there are.
I enjoy target shooting as a sport but don't see why people who genuinely enjoy shooting for that reason can't adapt to shooting BBs, for instance, or simulation.
Question for the pro-gun people - Do you genuinely believe that gun control will increase deaths of innocent people?
- i believe that my gun is a recreational device i share plenty of time with my friends with, to us it's not a weaponalbums
- The Swiss are some of the most civilized people in the world. I trust them w/ guns.hotroddy
- Albums, why do you have a gun that can kill instead of a BB gun?orrinward2
- better accuracy. bb guns can't stay true over distancealbums
- Heat-seeking missiles are even more accurate. FYI bums.********
- severian0
"Not certain on this, but I'm pretty sure the Swiss are required a rifle by law after undergoing a year of full time military service and training.
They are permitted to have one rifle - A Sig550 and they are not allowed to take it out of their home. Some time in the last 10 years the law changed as well, so they couldn't carry ammunition. You had to get it from an armory if the country were called to war or a state of emergency."True, Fox News and Neo-Con spam email letters don't mention this part.
Also, please don't compare the Swiss to Americans.It's insulting to the Swiss.
- I agree. I was pointing out that the frequently-cited comparisons of 'Hey the Swiss have guns and don't die so it's fine for us' are rather flawed.orrinward2
- fine for the US' are rather flawed.orrinward2
- wasn't towards you, just the people who use this argument.severian
- albums0
Cheese: Swiss > American.
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- albums0
for orrinward2, did you suggest i use a bb gun for safety's sake?
because: http://www.wral.com/news/local/s…
Second child killed in pellet gun accident- I thought you said end of thread?ETM
- I thought I told you I don't care.albums
- If someone doesn't care, they stop interacting... you sir, are full of 'care.' :)ETM
- BBs and pellets are also very different. A pellet is pointed and and designed to fire like a bullet (spinning to maintain velocity/accuracy)orrinward2
- velocity and accuracy)orrinward2
- So that's two children killed by BB guns. How many have been killed by bullets?********
- orrinward20
Yes, for safety's sake. Any force projectile is dangerous but not nearly as dangerous as a gun with to-kill ammo.
It's a lot harder to kill 20 children with BB's than it is with 9mm rounds.
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/home/ba…
That's the most recent ball-bearing gun incident I could find in the press. A 12 year old girl was shot from a passing car and she hurt her neck. That's a headline in the 'Shooting of the Day UK' thread.
- my point was improper use of anything can result in death, even a pellet gun. education over legislation i sayalbums
- But what is the proper use of a 9mm handgun? What does a glock do 'recreationally' that a bb handgun can't?orrinward2
- But it's easier to cause death with improper use of something that is intended to cause death than something that is intended for recreation, no?********
- for recreation, no?********
- albums0
Hey wait a second... do the Swiss use those Sig rifles to shoot all the holes in the cheese? That's effin' brilliant.
- No because they aren't allowed ammunition, because of the dangers.orrinward2
- damn it!albums
- :Dalbums
- You really don;t want to know what they are using to make those holes... :)ETM
- youngdesigner0
Notice how we never see Obama with a gun, whats up with that
- he's a pussy.whhipp
- thatsracist.gifdbloc
- No, you are the pussy whipp, hiding behind a gun you fucking coward.********
- what a dumb question to ask.ohhhhhsnap
- 'coz he shoots hoops...word.see_thru
- focus groups find that a black man with a gun is a voter turnoff.ebertzjaw
- BusterBoy0
I'd say the right to not have a bullet enter your fucking head or go to a movie or school without fear of being slaughtered outweighs an archaic document that says virtually anybody can own a gun.
- monkeyshine0
So...the Obama administration is pushing a ban on military grade weapons and high capacity clips (or whatever the hell they're called). Do you pro gun people have a problem with that?
- but what if theres a 1000 deer in range?moldero
- crickets. NRA pushes the "they want to take your guns" bullshit to shut down any dialog.monkeyshine
- Most high capacity clips suck, I'd sooner bind 2 together for an easy drop flip reloadalbums
- that made no sense to me, albums. Is it so hard to answer a simple fkn question?monkeyshine
- those clips suck. they are unreliable.. copeash?yurimon
- albums: still hiding behind a gun, coward.********
- say that to his face! 5555ebertzjaw
- BusterBoy0
- welcome to the wild westhotroddy
- ‹ cant stand this pierce morgan... I hate non americans trying to change and influence american laws and culture.whhipp
- numbnuts like this make me ok with succession. Let them live in their John Wayne world and leave me out of it.monkeyshine
- deranged vs. evil. fuksakemonkeyshine
- wow that fucker is exactly what is wrong with far right america. like a fucking brickwall.inteliboy
- well. that sums up our argument here.pango
- lol @ whhip says the American while you guys constantly trying to influence other country. lolpango
- wow, that bible thumping nutjjob has some fucking nervemonospaced
- stupidest shit I have ever seen.********
- It's all racism really, isn't it?********
- GO AMERRCAH!********
- antagonlsta0
there is a lot of this by people who do very little .
maybe we'll see some of them lurker usernames again when the next shooting occurs. ... i hope it's not too soon.
- yurimon0
I dont think the violence is going to stop, Its going to be one idiot copy cat and one false flag after another and when you final reached the point of satisfactory enslavement there will be another line crossed.
so keep bending over and praying because The answer to your question for the violence is same as your answer to the question for what would stop fascism in a country.
- False flag? So you think these attacks were caused by the governmentqoob
- http://rationalwiki.…qoob
- what are you talking about? where I say this attack was false flag duffis?yurimon
- so if you think it's going to happen again, copycat style, then logically it's best to not have guns!monospaced
- so you need 30 clips and military weapons to stop this? Can you answer a simple question?!monkeyshine
- I think there will be few copy cats. I am still out on evidence on this case. batman shooter was def set up.yurimon
- Do you want to complete federalization, assimilation, centralized power, mien komf styleyurimon
- bobkat0
Seems that gun lobbyists are devious organisations in any country, as we discovered in Australia today:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/not-on…
Who said that tighter gun controls remove the rights of the many for the sake of the few?
- it seems more of UN treaty synchronization thing once you have the Aussies tinkeringyurimon
- Yurimon, you can't even compose a sentence; so why do you think anyone of even moderate intelligence would think you have something noteworthy to impart?********
- you might have anything noteworthy to impart?********
- Facts Yurimon?bobkat
- https://en.wikipedia…yurimon
- Yes, I see the issue. As the USA is the predominate exporter of arms, a treaty would be an issue...Pffft. Get over the conspiracies Yurimon.bobkat
- ********0
It is actually the disgusting worm of racism coming from the pro-gun-ists at the end of the day, isn't it? 'We need guns because the minorities who we've been killing /enslaving/degrading/exploiting since we came here as a colonial/cultural white luftwaffe will kill us if we don't have guns to defend ourselves.' Nothing has changed. And that goes for the global US colonialism too.
- And, as always, I am NOT lumping all Americans, most of whom are wonderful, in with that summary.********
- Classic case of urban vs. rural perception problems. Nearly everyone I know is a gun owner. I know only a few racists (and some don't own a gun).melq
- ...and some of those (racists) don't own a gun.melq
- Room, you're the first person I've read that proposed such nonsensealbums
- And, as always, I am NOT lumping all Americans, most of whom are wonderful, in with that summary.
- qoob0
So yurimon says he thinks these shootings are staged by the government...strange how you can argue for pages and pages over this issue and leave out that rather important "fact"
- I love how people just casually say these things are false flags...if the government was really staging mass killings you'd think it would be time to riot in the streets or somethingqoob
- you'd think it would be time to riot in the streets or somethingqoob
- Can't he be banned for illiteracy at the very least? Please QBN, for the sake of civilisation.********
- There are facts. You can substantiate anything on your own other then CNN news?yurimon
- Jury still out in this case. let you know if something comes up.yurimon
- qoob0
Washington Post-ABC News Poll on Gun Control
Do you favor or oppose stricter gun control laws in this country?
Favor 54%
Oppose 43%Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on:
High-capacity ammunition clips, meaning those containing more than 10 bulletsSupport 59%
Oppose 38%Semi-automatic handguns, which automatically re-load every time the trigger is pulled
Support 52%
Oppose 44%The sale of handguns, except to law enforcement officers
Support 27%
Oppose 71%- Polls are bullshit. jeez mr facts man. only polls that are trustworthy are in strip clubs lolyurimon
- qoob0
Political and ideological differences, in particular, are stark: Stricter gun control overall is favored by 74 percent of Democrats but just 29 percent of Republicans; it’s 52 percent among independents, more than half for the first time since 2007. Support, similarly, is 72 percent among liberals and 58 percent among moderates, vs. 38 percent among conservatives.
- melq0
I wonder how those numbers break down with percentages of people that actually have gun knowledge? My issue is not with the discussion of gun laws. It's with the strong arguments by people that don't seem to have much information on what they are arguing about.
For example: "Make all semi-automatic weapons illegal." The term 'semi-automatic' is very specific and defines a mechanical operation within the firearm. Any handgun that isn't a single-shot or revolver is semi-automatic. Does anyone really believe that nearly every handgun in America should be illegal? Do they realize that a revolver fires every time you pull the trigger, just like a semi-automatic pistol does?
Many people want the Assault Weapons Ban reinstated. The issue is that, defined by the former ban, an "assault weapon" is categorized purely by cosmetic items: an adjustable stock; a pistol grip; etc.. These features don't make a rifle more deadly, just ugly.
An intelligent proposal would be to ban semi-automatic rifles. That would at least show that people understood the nature of both the problem they are trying to correct and the object they blame.
I'm not for a ban on semi-automatic rifles, by the way, but such a proposal would at least convince me that people were taking the subject seriously and not just saying, "That gun looks scary! Why does anyone need a gun that looks scary!?"
- Yes, I believe nearly every handgun should be illegal, actually.hereswhatidid
- An intelligent proposal would be not wanting small arms capable of killing 10 people without a reload, no?hereswhatidid
- I guess we could do everything but deal with core issues of real problems.yurimon
- Removing the primary means of mass killings is avoiding the problem?hereswhatidid
- Thanks for proving my point, fellows. It's a timely reminder to not even bother with the discussion here.melq
- Your point is that unless we agree to not consider any ban on guns you don't want to discuss it? Seems reasonable.hereswhatidid
- All guns should be banned, which is an intelligent proposalinstrmntl
- disposable guns is the answer.. single fire, one shot units.ebertzjaw
- all rifles should have 9ft barrels... harder to conceal.ebertzjaw
