Israel bombing shit..
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- utopian2
In a report issued Wednesday, Human Rights Watch said Israel had repeatedly struck civilians and their property without a clear military purpose and called on it to “end unlawful attacks.” Israel has hit houses, offices and farmland in Gaza with F-16 airstrikes, missiles fired from Apache helicopters and shelling from naval gunboats.
- Fuck You Israel
- cannonball19781
Seriously. Israel is a piece of shit.
- pinkfloyd0
And some guy earlier was trying to justify all these killings because of the fucken stock market?
- hotroddy0
careful when using the term 'isreal' when you really mean 'the jews'
- uan0
I wish somehow someone starts working on PEACE for both sides.
People are being manipulated into hateful thinking and it looks as if they are winning (the ones that gain something out of war).
I wish I could see an emerging 21st century worthy PEACE movement.- There are lots of Israelis and Palestinians on both sides work for peace.lowimpakt
- if only.....ApeRobot
- http://en.wikipedia.…lowimpakt
- the cuntiest person in the room makes the most noise.inteliboy
- lowimpakt0
Mark Regev, an Australian Israeli and chief public facing propagandist of the Israeli government, gets a grilling on UK news.
- every time i hear 'lets be clear" i want to punch him in the skullcannonball1978
- added_valium0
- Wow, thanks for your input ... you've really brought us to a new place in the debate.********
- just questioning the point of this debateadded_valium
- Right ...********
- It's clearly about victimising Israelis********
- Such a neat, and Orwellian, trick to try to position the aggressor as the victim.********
- we had many many intense debates and fights over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistanlowimpakt
- because none of the country you have cited get a veto from the biggest world power everytime they commit atrocitiesGeorgesIV
- FAIL: somewhere in this quote he is on-the-level comparing Israel to all the atrocities in the worldbliznutty
- Yes we did. Jewish Internet Defense force in full damage control here.matnz
- Wow, thanks for your input ... you've really brought us to a new place in the debate.
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this is very true, only the syria part (1800 palestinian victims) is weird, because syria's situation is exponentially worse. the bodycount now is over 100,000; bombing and shelling of urban environments that pales in comparison to gaza, 10million refugees without access to humanitarian aid. the coverage and the public outrage this particular tragedy receives is a joke if you compare it to the current and the previous gaza sensations.but i don't think that the double standard necessarily comes from anti-semitism or anti-americanism. it seems that even intelligent, morally conscient people only despise the violence if one side is militarily far superior and somewhat democratic. violence from everybody else is nothing to be outraged about, even if way worse. well-meaning but misguided, idealistic, unrealistic expecations to me.
- Not really true though, there's been plenty of attention to Syria.ukit2
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A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip.
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1612199…
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"yes but that position assumes that the IDF are the legitimate source of control and power which IMO can't be the case when there is illegal occupations and a blockade of gaza."
- lowimpaktthis is true, the legitimacy very questionable. but that's only an academic point. IDF rules, legally or not, via absolute military superiority. with egypt and syria currently neutralized, there's nothing that will change that in the foreseeable future, especially not stone-throwing kids or crude rockets. the simple reality is that if you attack israel you will positively get your ass kicked, and that if you don't attack israel they will abuse you way, way less.
to me personally, everything except the expanding settlements is something I would do exactly the same, because I see no alternative for security reasons. the wall, the checkpoints, the raids, the gaza blockade; to me these were reactions to proven asymetrical threats (see second intifida, weapons smuggling, and so on), common sense.
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"i'm am mostly a pacifist but as a human if I was forced to live in an "open prison" by an external force i would probably do everything in my power to fuck their shit up. I'm not trying to rationalise Hamas actions but I can understand why young men and women sign up to their shit."
I definetely understand where the hatred and radicalism comes from, I can sympathize as well. the question is how many generations of palestinians you want to sacrifice for a *symbolic* resistance, futile resistance, before they decide to move on and have a life. this is of course their decision to make, but to be fair you cannot point your finger at israel and cry murder and genocide when you chose to engage a nuclear power with your slingshot.
- imagineallthepeople, you're from israel so you better than anyone here can tell us what's going on in your country. I have a single question though, "did hamas ever said that they abducted the 3 teenagers?"GeorgesIV
- question though, "did hamas ever said that they abducted the 3 teenagers?"GeorgesIV
- "before they move on and have a life", I think that's the point, they are being denied a life, their home, rights, food, water etc.********
- thanks for your response magineallthepeople
lowimpakt - np problem bro. glad someone's open for input.********
- up until the middle of the second intifida, I saw it 100% like you, so I can relate********
- bliznutty0
@added_valium
that quote sounds like a semite complaining that everyone else in the world gets to be inhumane.. why when Israel is inhumane do they not get the same treatment?
requoted: "why are you singling out Israel like they are the only people in the world being inhumane?'
i mean really?! c'mon this person is an idiot and that statement didn't deservere quotes around it with a name underneath
- ok you're right. i don't sympathize wholly with that quote. it was just a reaction to some statements here.added_valium
- referring to a whole nation as scum and such makes for a skewed discussionadded_valium
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"I think that's the point, they are being denied a life, their home, rights, food, water"
- eoinyes, the conditions are inhumane but you're blaming the wrong side (which you eloquently described as "Israel, a nation of scum")
perhaps you don't remember how life in gaza was like before the israelis handed over the gaza administration to arafat 20 years ago, what life was like there before sharon pulled out of gaza completely (including all settlements) and hamas won the election. when the israelis were responsible gaza at least had electricity, fuel, water, food, jobs. after the palestinians took over, every single deterioration in quality of life for gaza along the way can be attributed to one of their aggressions (you call it resistance). the people in gaza will be fucked as their leaders don't come to term with the historic reality. a good role model would be the 17 million displaced germans after WW2, they dealed with their nakba much more productively and got it out of their system after one or two generations.
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^ I'm sorry for saying that "scum" thing, it was uncooth, unjustified, and uncalled for. I allowed my emotions get the better of me, because the Israeli defence forces are killing women and children. I regret saying it and apologise to anyone who was offended by it. The rest of what you say is a straw man, which I won't be drawn into blowing over.
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eoin, all is forgiven.
- added_valium0
13 terrorists (or freedom fighters if you prefer to call it that) emerge out of a tunnel into a field of a kibbutz in Israel