Fuck you, Pay me
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- doesnotexist0
do you have a kill fee?
as of late, i like to treat rates like a lawyer would. bill for everything even when you're thinking about it (that's what lawyers do, it's part of then process).
it is not for them to say how long something would take. i don't know where in your contract that is stipulated—where they can negotiate time somethings takes, but for me it's always non-negotiable unless it's a rush.
i would always lean on the contract.
- *thedoesnotexist
- kill fee should be 15% if i am not wrong.akrok
- babaganush0
Bummer. Happens all the time unfortunately. Only way they listen is for you to break the ties unfortunately. There's times I've had enough where I just thought 'I don't care, i'll do something else, I won't be bitch whipped'. It stands you in good stead. Fewer, better clients is better than more cunts (and improves the industry - differentiating professionals from hobbyists). If you've worked for them for years and it's going the wrong way in terms of respect, it is essentially doomed...If it were a friend who gradually treated you less respectful and more like a stranger, you'd tell them to do one...if you were an employee and had shown loyalty and were getting demoted, you would leave...
- ********0
Goodfellas?
- akrok0
"That could only have took you 10 minutes so why do you think you can charge for this"
great comment from the client. it clearly show he/she is a douche bag. i would bet they make Money cause the richer they are the harder it's to get paid. At least, that's what i have found out.
- these people probably done this shit Before. its the way they run their business.akrok
- doesnotexist0
and anyways your services shouldn't be time based, but value based.
- citizen_h0
Have a client who is a mid sized company and sent invoice 7 weeks ago. They say will pay after 30 days. Aint paid shit yet. As no contracts have been signed do I say according to my company policy states every day that your late I will charge XXX per day on top. Good idea or bad?
- Have you confirmed that they just haven't sent payment? Wouldn't hurt to ask first before charging more.hereswhatidid
- Sent about 5 emails and response is pay next week. Next week is today and no show. Called them and they said they have no money to pay now.citizen_h
- have no money to pay now.citizen_h
- up to you then. I would weigh the risk of pissing them off to the point where they just refuse to pay anythinghereswhatidid
- and then you're stuck with hiring a lawyer or eating the losshereswhatidid
- Yeah true.citizen_h
- breadlegz-1
Get paid up front every time...
- robotron3k2
Back in my old Austin days, my friend who had a tech company there would have problem clients who refused to pay on time. Since Austin is disgustingly hot, he would send a sweaty messenger to sit in the waiting room of their lush office. Then he would call the client and tell them he had someone waiting to pick up a check. This worked 100% of the time, especially when the messengers look like this guy...
- autoflavour0
what about Fuck Me, Pay you.. or is that a different thread?
- Projectile1
The agency will do it for $10,000
They think they can. They will end up trying to charge triple that because of extra work asked for along the way that wasn't clearly stated in the original brief.
But the client will NEVER see this until it happens
Fuck our lives
- ********0
Seem like a bunch of bullshit. Get a new client and tell them to get lost.
- ********0
"it absolutely is worth being involved with them as it does open other doors"
Really?
- fooler0
What's the etiquette for asking "where's my check"?
I did work in June and invoiced on July, 1st. The terms were NET 30 and I haven't seen a check. It's officially only been 32 days and I don't want to come off as desperate and pushy because I would like to work with them again.- Just ask, politely. It's not 'desperate' to ask for monies owed on good work done. I tend to get an apology every time I ask favoured clients for payment.Nairn
- Have an 'accounts' email address set up and send an automatic 'payment due' email. Depending on how much they know about you and your set up...Wolfboy
- ...you don't even need to have your own name on it. It's just a business thing, no desperation on you behalf.Wolfboy
- "May I ask you to look into invoice xxxx, please?" is usually about as much effort as I put into things.Nairn
- If they don't pay you, you don't want to work with again.gonzalle
- Nairn2
Also, Fuck 30 day payment terms - that just gives people a month extra to fuck you around.
Here in the UK, 30 days is simply the point that you're able to start sending legal missives to get your monies paid. Unfortunately some people seem to think that invoices with 30 day terms is some sort of base level, which it absolutely is not.
I've fired at least two clients who've played silly buggers with this sort of thing in the past.
Unilever once tried to claim their standard terms were 60 days - after I'd invoiced them - at which point I got legal advice and started putting in some juicy key phrases in my emails that got them to buck up the pace a little. (Now I always charge corporates in advance - fuck getting involved in labyrinthine accounts messes where they're used to breathing their own farts and believing their own shit).
- lol 30-90 days is completely normal...sted
- I remember a cake supplier stamping this on their invoices: "If you don't pay me, I can't pay them, and they can't pay you!"shapesalad
- or something like that. Maybe it was "If you're late paying me, I'll be even later paying them, and they'll be super late paying you!"shapesalad
- 'lol' sted - it's also entirely artificial and in no way beneficial to anyone other than the client, so i don't play that game.
You play, if you wish. 'lol'.Nairn - The bigger my client, the longer they take to payGnash
- I mean their ‘terms’ are longerGnash
- 30 days standard, 60-90 days = jerks
Unilever, Cola, all the banks, etc. all have 60 days minimum, Cola has 90 days I believe.
After 30, add late fees, f'emgrafician - Also many agencies go for 90 days 'cuz clients pay them in 60. Not to mention no deposits because "we won Cannes Lions, do you know who we are!?"grafician
- 30 is the most common, few big ones still have 90 days, our average paytime last year was 43 days. i think 90 is still standard in the film industry for examplested
- Had the 60 days one a few times, but I always try and get on a repeat supplier 30 days one. 60 days is a joke.PhanLo
- My agency is fairly good at paying quickly. But, 60-90 days is standard for the accounts I touched when I ran my own production company.shellie
- The last major label I did a music video for, 75% upfront to pay for production hard costs. 25% on delivery net 45.shellie
- Major labels paying upfront?! Daym that's wildgrafician
- Worst is 60+ "but usually a week based on submission time" still waiting 60+ later...DarkCover
- fooler2
Update! The check was in my mailbox today with a little personal note. I'm glad I waited until after the mail came today to write the "Fuck you, Pay Me" email.
