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- kingkong0
I honestly think that even the Yes bunch hope it isn't a Yes. The sheer scale of what faces them would daunt anyone.
Its amazing that you can basically get to the brink of independence, with no plan, no answers and no clear path to those answers.
Everyone is so emotionally attached to independence to see clearly.
My personal view is that Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland should be independent, but this is the wrong way to approach it imo.
If there was a clear plan, set of answers across all those big things like NATO, EU, currency, Defence, Monarchy etc... then I don't think many would have an issue.
- there seems to be a clear plan in penfold's headmicrokorg
- http://www.myfconlin…microkorg
- I'm sure when the currency agreement is made, things will be a lot easier.rosko_picachu
- kingkong0
"It is true,” writes Torrance, “that most policy areas do not engage Salmond beyond whatever tactical advantage they may offer over his opponents... Indeed, many former aides cannot recall ever having had a policy discussion with their former boss. As a result, Salmond does not appear to have thought very deeply about the fundamental nature of Scottish society, preferring to parrot clichéd lines about the superiority of Scottish education and the untouchability of the NHS.”
From his Biographer, which should worry people but it doesn't.
- rosko_picachu0
Yes but he's not going to be in charge for very long.
What about David Cameron, does he have unlimited knowledge on policy creation, or does he have someone to do that for him?
Alex Salmond's background from university is based on Economics, he's worked a long time in politics, he's not just fell off the back of a tractor.
Like has been mentioned lots of times, people have different reasons for voting.
I can't bear another Cameron, another Blair, Milliband. These are trumped up management types with a face for the camera.
This is a choice for No, which is what we have just now, or Yes and we have a chance to build something.
What we want to do is protect the basic British things we've had, but to take a future thinking approach, not looking to the past.
You might not get it, but corporations have got too close to government, it's in danger of getting worse. As much as we share the same fears and concerns about the next few years, Scotland will not abandon the rest of the UK, it's the conservatives and the labour parties who talk of such things.
What i believe is true and you can make your own mind up on this.
The corporations represent the no campaign more than politicians.
Our politicians represent the people. We want a modern system of progress towards sustainability.
Could you imagine the green party got voted in? Well up here that is the the third party - not UKIP.
- rosko_picachu0
Assets in the Scottish sector, according the the governor of the Bank of England, are valued at in his words, "North of a trillion sterling."
- babaganush0
@ rosko
He actually valued that regarding ' Scottish-domiciled financial industry are about 10 times the country’s gross domestic product, totaling more than 1 trillion pounds ($1.62 trillion). '
He is referring to the banking sector and what is possibly at stake if financial companies relocate operations etc. And/ there are any runs in the banks due to currency uncertainty. He's saying this is TEN times more than Scotland's GDP - essentially that its staggering Scotland
would risk that...but your not bothered about corporations anyhow..yet you're quoting figures they would cite as precisely that which 'yes 'voters are gambling with...and not quite grasping...as you just showed- And that's not saying all the
Money or assets are Scottish owned...more a part of a trusted banking system that at be about to changebabaganush - To changebabaganush
- And that's not saying all the
- rosko_picachu0
The only people creating currency uncertainty is the No campaign.
Look at the state of the No campaign, clearly being run by corporations.
The problem with your system is it's propped up by Scottish resources, we subsidize the whole system and the Bank of England knows this.
The austerity measures haven't worked and they are trying to rig them to seem otherwise. So therefore when we are no longer their
to make the economics seem rosy, everything will come out.It will no longer be so easy to hide things from the public.
This is why we have all this crap that Waitrose and John Lewis are leaving. This is why we have inaccurate polls, created by newspapers who all support the No campaign.
We'll see in a couple of days, just how accurate they've been.
From where i'm looking, bearing in mind i live here, it's an absolute landslide.
It's taken until yesterday for the Labour camp to come round the doors.
I genuinely felt sorry for them, until i realized, after a vote we can still vote labour if we want to. That's what i said to them and they knew i was right. They looked down trodden, they know it's over.
THis is why they've been told to ramp up the emotion to an emotionless campaign from one side, and a side absolutely driven by emotion, facts and a passion to do this.
If you live down south, in London - you've missed the whole thing. You hide behind media messages of fear and corporate guidance and this is how you have lost your voice.
We have lost ours too and this is about claiming it back. It's about keeping the educated population in Scotland. More than anything it comes from your lot failing to put any kind of deal on the table regarding the oil wealth.
- ‘clearly being run by corporations‘ you do realise that a lot of Scot don't, by their own volition, want independence?detritus
- independence? They've not been coralled, nor lied-to, they just don't feel like it's what they want for their country?detritus
- ps. "Your lot" is polarising bullshit, as if a lot of the people on the ground here want the politics here eitherdetritus
- with attitudes like that you run the risk of poisoning memory and being loathed by Englanders for generationsdetritus
- lowimpakt0
"Scottish independence: Ireland since 1919 is a lesson for Scotland in what a Yes vote means.
..... The Irish had fought for their independence in 1916 and been mightily and brutally crushed by the British army. Then they bravely fought the British all over again. Ireland’s 800-year history of English occupation puts Scotland’s misery into the shade. We won’t mention the Troubles."
- babaganush0
Rosko you never said a truer word. By all means if a yes vote goes through it will be based on 'emotion'. In not so many words Salmond says this.
BTW it isn't my 'system' it is yours too until Thursday at worst. Again your argument pools everyone into Tory loving zealots who live in ivory towers. Your last post was based ion a woefully inaccurate misunderstanding if figures that you used to endorse Scittish resources. So if 'everyone knows this' it's quite clearly coming from ignorance and misunderstanding if the facts.
Again, they are not ' my lot ' your mentality that essentially is made up to be secular and Scottish no matter what. It's the fact that millions of others (ignore this bit as you constantly have) that aren't old Etonians, don't support the current UK parliament, will see their hand weakened by devolution.
I feel sorry for anyone voting emotionally because it is the next generations that will have to deal with the staggering realisation that it was ONLY blind emotion that is governing yes sentiment. Nothing wrong with passion - it should be the bedrock of everything...yet I don't think you would be too complimentary to passionate politicians that yield absolutely no results - oh hang on scratch that last bit.
- rosko_picachu0
No matter what, it is happening.
Gimme the facts then, lets hear the numbers?
Come on then, i'll begin 8billion barrels of oil none of the tax is devolved to Scotland.
Where's your facts?
- You've had numbers time and again in this thread. All been written off as coming from evil 'corporations'babaganush
- I clearly contradicted a 'fact' from you two posts ago.babaganush
- lessfloor0
It will be great if Scotland vote yes - will be a big 2 fingers up at England as it is now the land of shit! and fuck NWO.
Peace!
- Wolfboy0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-sco…
I assume we will be told that this is a lie because the BBC reported it, but it doesn't make good reading.
The Herald say the funding gap is £450m by the way:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/ne…- They're all co-conspirators...ob... will get oil transfusions...babaganush
- chossy0
That shortfall among many others is due to the continued slashing of Scotlands funding, so all departments across the board are getting cut. That's the cruzx of the whole issue in that Scotland can controll all of it's money and it can fully fund whatever it wants because it will be a richer nation, even a slight increase in funding is better than the relentless austerity which will see a further 25Bn promised cuts. So yes there is going to be a 450 million shortfall in the NHS but this is wholly avoidable if we get full control over our resources. These shortfalls are not unique to the NHS across everywhere there are shortfalls and legally Scotland is required to balance the books which the do a fucking amazing job of doing despite westminsters best efforts.
- detritus0
*shudders*
No, let's not.
I can't think of three less capable, less appropriate, spokespeople to fight for the cause of Unity. We could've had 100 seasons of shared bounty and yet these 3 could turn up and turn off an entire nation with nary a word spake.
ffs.
- sem0
Hello! Its your fav Englishman!
I've not read any of the posts since my last nor will I to avoid QBN beef.
I am just here to simply say...
I wish everyone the best of luck and happiness regardless of what happens tomorrow. At the end of the day all I care about is the overall wellbeing of the world regardless of where you're from etc. Lets all just be nice to each other and show the world you don't need religion to be nice :P
Hope you guys up there benefit either way. The struggle is real for us 99%.
- benfal990
YES!
- benfal990
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with a flag and a trumpet
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raise the flag!"- Björk
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- Why doesn't she just sing in Icelandic then? oh hang on...she'd sell 12 records.babaganush
- Bjork is amazing. Your comment are invalid.benfal99
