Scottish independence
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- rosko_picachu0
Man you're taking it for granted we just woke up one morning, watched Braveheart and thought, "Freeeeedom!"
It's genuinely not like that. I tend to trust people i used to work with who run things like Bellacaledonia.com, The Fife Diet and various other things.
It's really a question about sustainability, cutting costs on things like not having to pay for Westminster and weapons of mass destruction that are outdated and will most probably never be used.
I don't really hear politicians from governments i trust, but i do trust people i know, people i used to work with.
This is essentially a debate that's been blogged about for the past three years online and now guys down south want to just take it for granted it's complete dafties that are in control pushing the debate.
www.bellacaledonia.com are out interviewing people like Noam Chomsky, meanwhile you guys are subjected to whoever it is your getting your information from.
What's amazing is, i used to work with coders, who you wouldn't really get a grasp of how intelligent they actually were until maybe at some big pressure event and they had to speak publicly. Such people are potentially wasted in that job and these are the people who've been quietly fighting the corner for Yes.
I used to live in England, worked at Amaze, studied in Newcastle and i absolutely love England. I just don't like the kind of arrogant nature of being screwed over. That is really a question of trust and people are voting for whoever they trust, versus people they don't trust.
You see with this thing called the internet, we have access to people who are passing us the right information. Nobody is really interested in Alex Salmond, because after the vote goes through he's going to retire.
I just bet a lot of the people who've been involved get a bug for politics and this can be a very good thing.
- Wolfboy0
If you are correct about all this Rosko then good luck to Scotland and the tidal wave of awesome that is coming when you're no longer held back by the English who apparently wouldn't want any of this for the UK.
And it's great that you have worked with the guys who will change everything for the better so have the inside line on the future; but I'm gonna suggest that most people still get their information from traditional outlets. Most people still turn on the TV, read the papers and listen to the figureheads feeding them their particular line of bullshit. In this case Alex Salmond and the Yes campaign he is spearheading. So I think it might be touch presumptuous to say that nobody is interested in him.
I seriously hope you are right though and if this new ecologically sound, fair and prosperous country emerges I might even emigrate myself.
In the end though, I think you'll have a very similar government, peopled by self-serving arseholes (they're certainly operating up there right now), that is only as progressive as every other government. Despite what is being said in blogs at the moment, as soon as they are into the political cycle they will not be thinking much further than the next election and how to keep/take power. And that requires short term view, lowest common denominator politics.
- rosko_picachu0
Like i said, selling the gold devalues the pound, i believe it was sold to buy Yen tradeables. Gives you an idea of what currencies will determine fiscal policy and interest rates in the future. Might not be the pound, especially if it's not underpinned by North Sea Oil.
Another thing is the west coast of Scotland. I've got really good friends from Islay off the west coast. Last time i met up i was getting told about their being a lot of oil and gas on the west coast as well.People in Islay tend to be well connected, so like i say, i kind of trust that judgement that it's possible more oil will be found around Arran and in the Firth of Clyde. Geological surveys have been done and BP were pretty sure there is stuff down their. So we'll see.
So far only 20 exploration wells have been drilled and the word is their is oil and gas all over the place up here. Faslane has really put that on the back burner. But if you think about 3,000 exploration wells in the North Sea versus 20 on the west coast their's a very high chance it's out their and the technology might just be able to get at it.
I know that somewhere between 30-35,000 jobs are gonna become available and various friends have all been rushing to go and get their certificates. So obviously things are happening.
In terms of politicians, well there are people who would make excellent politicians and probably never looked at it as a career path before. They've come from really good backgrounds in terms of education and like i said, have the personality to handle themselves as politicians. I just hope they noticed. Maybe when it's all finished it might be something they want to pursue.
But you would be amazed. People who i'd have down as being definite no voters come up and are turned and not because they read the white paper, but because they went straight to the economists talking about it everyday on Twitter.
For the first time, we've had enough time and like i said the main drivers are people working in things like I.T sector, developing systems in Abu Dhabi and places like that. Not dafties.
If anything it's the dafties on TV voting no who look incredibly stupid. Like the politician who got egged last week by his own security guard who ran off but was caught on film. Media reports it was Yes voters.
Latest one today seems to be about the supermarkets leaving and thats been completely laughed at.
Every time the lies come up, they get debunked very quickly and more people lose the trust.
Other one today i saw was the government lobbying other countries to speak out against independence and they have a whole department to make sure it's worded the right way. Russia. Can you believe that. At the same time they are dealing out sanctions to Russia, they are asking Putin to speak out.
Half the stuff you couldn't make up. Like the BBC, they get £200-250 million from Scotland via the license fee, so that gives you an idea of how impartial they are. When you know how the media works having been inside it, it doesn't come as a surprsie when i switch on the news for the first time in months and i'm thinking, "This is why i don't watch the news anymore." It's depressing and the level of scaremongering is phenomenal, and it's all scheduled in a very strange way.
I don't know if you saw the news last night, but goes along the lines of speak to one person in Dundee, who votes Yes and then go hit the old demographic in the borders who are obviously gonna be in a difficult position. They think their pensions are gonna disappear over night when they aren't. Besides the 1% who run the pension schemes all live in the south of England. But somehow they are mis-informed. Then it's over to the financila analyst who's ready to blow out his cheeks and be like, "Well, it's been a bad day on the stock market." Then it's cheery for a split secong with the royal baby, before jumping into the ISIS thing and a reporter who looks quite excited about what really is a bleak situation.
This is how you report the news you see and don't report the real news. If they wanted to debate it properly they would be talking about it for half an hour on the news, but soundbites are little chunks of information more easily remembered.
- moldero0
freedom
- kingkong0
SNP leader Alex Salmond has admitted he has never been entirely sure what he means when he says ‘independence’.
Scotland’s first minister revealed he has always thought of independence as a ‘play within a play... within a dream’.
He said: “Well, it’s a concept, it’s an idea, it’s a thing.
“In my mind I see it as a tree in the shape of Scotland. Does that make sense?”
Salmond said the idea of independence involving things like a currency and a central bank, was ‘very left brain’, adding: “How would you even do that?”
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.c…
He said: “I think once independence is here I’ll have a much better idea of what it is.
“Any other questions?”
Good luck my Scottish Brethren!
- lowimpakt0
i can understand the intangible lure of independence.
on the other i genuinely struggle with the idea of people living under a monarchy but I accept that there are intangible aspects to this too.
- yurimon0
I vote for brain cox.
He got the brains and the cox to run Scotland...
- rosko_picachu0
It clearly states that you're not allowed to make important announcements within 25 days until the election. Effectively we've been offered St Andrews day and a Burns Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pur…)
Yesterday we were flooded with news of shares in scottish buisnesses dropping. One dropped 2.5%!! What they didn't tell us was the share prices were already up 22% this year. Strange that.
- NonEntity0
@rosko
U'd be a more convincing wannabe cynic if you could at least get a simple eggs is eggs story straight:
http://www.fayyoung.org/sometime…
I think the common sense clue was in the bleedingly obvious question: "how likely is it someone's minder would pelt his own boss?"
Ach! the media, will they ever learn?
To be fair, your untangling of this conspiracy probably still had more truth to it than what Chomsky usually brings to the menu. So, thanks for that, oh wise one.
- BusterBoy0
o I don't really know much about this...but if the YES vote gets up, will Scotland still be part of Great Britain?
- lowimpakt0
england fans are voting yes.
- rosko_picachu0
Ahem, no, they effectively have to lose the Great part.
- rosko_picachu0
This guy is as well:)
- Yeah, because you would take advise from someone like this.sem
- babaganush0
@Rosko.
Given that Mark Carney has ruled out Scottish using GBP and Alex Salmond doesn't really know what implications an independent Scotland has in the Eurozone, are you happy that any savings you have will be extremely volatile. The Bank of England (whether you hate England or not) is a very stable underwriter. Look at the banks in Iceland etc...Your arguments as to the wilo-the-wisp of your mates talking about oil in the remotes of Scotland is crazy. Who will underwrite this from day dot in your country? Massive gamble.
- babaganush0
What a twat
- < This reactionary fool is leading your charge for independence...god help us allbabaganush
- How anyone can take him serious is actually worrying.sem
- rosko_picachu0
What about John Major today saying if Scotland vote yes, we'll wake up the next day and be "foreign".
Also a twat. Well at least we won't have to pass the UK citizenship test? Have you seen the latest genius idea:
- John Major IS a twat. But he's not leading the campaignbabaganush
- Please vote YES Rosko.sem
- microkorg0
This is a good information site (rather than a lot of the MISinformation sites)
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk…
Rosko,
We can't base a new Scotland on current oil or in particular the promise of NEW oil! It's rumoured there's some out there but how much will it cost to find or drill for it?
I read somewhere that BP have let their exploration licence expire - that kind of tells me something.- ...that it might need renewing should Scotland go independent?detritus
- babaganush0
I think many are over it. Most recognise that devolution isn't a goodthing for Britain (granted the clamour of westminster). Or Scotland...we don't want to make stuff harder on ourselves from devolution or see these questions left un-answered post-vote. But to be honest I think most are now beyond caring and just want to know. In my opinion it's lunacy and all half-rational stats and thought supports this. I don't want to see Scottish devolution fail...I just think it will and we will all need to pay the price. @Rosko's points do nothing to bring common sense to the table (as is the case for everything I have heard pro 'yes'.
So if the people residing in Scotland are obstinent enough en-mass to feel that they need to prove they are proudly Scottish by flying in the face of this then let's just get it out of the way.
- i_monk0
I don't think the UK can actually stop Scotland from adopting the pound as their currency. Iceland nearly adopted the Canadian dollar a few years ago after their banker capitalists fucked over the country, and as I recall there was nothing we could do to stop them if they really wanted to (not sure why we'd want to though).
- CALLES0
100!