Charlotsville Incidents
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- sarahfailin1
"As members of a largely anarchist movement, antifascists don’t want the government to stop white supremacists from gathering. They want to do so themselves, rendering the government impotent. . . .
"Antifa believes it is pursuing the opposite of authoritarianism. Many of its activists oppose the very notion of a centralized state. But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not. That authority rests on no democratic foundation. Unlike the politicians they revile, the men and women of antifa cannot be voted out of office. Generally, they don’t even disclose their names.
"Antifa’s perceived legitimacy is inversely correlated with the government’s. Which is why, in the Trump era, the movement is growing like never before."
https://www.theatlantic.com/maga…
As a flaming leftist and activist for forever, I feel discouraged and alienated by the escalating violence coming from the left, and I worry how things will escalate as more protests occur. Trump talked about violence on both sides, and it would be easier to say our side was without sin, were it not for these forces who are advocating violence and unilaterally shutting down people's ability to speak and demonstrate.
The Alt-Right is setting up a fake enemy in the "Alt-Left," but this would be harder to do if there weren't forces of violent, leftist activists. The violence of the far right remains, and has been historically, much worse. But that fact should not legitimize any amount of physical violence against people who are demonstrating peacefully.
People on both sides are showing up to each other's demonstrations with battle armor, shields, clubs, knives and guns. The resulting melees are launching what would otherwise be small rallies (Like in Sacramento in June 2016 when 10 people were stabbed) to headline, national news.
I feel like I can only plea to my own side to remain peaceful. Impinging on lawful (however repugnant) demonstrations will only garner sympathy for the Alt-Right and Crocodile-Tears Cantwell.
/rant
- yupmonospaced
- I'm apparently a mid left anarchist. I denounce all violence. I can't help feel that the far let and far right are as bad as each other.mugwart
- colin_s2
In response to the Antifa / alt left stuff:
http://www.politico.com/magazine…
"Something like “alt-left” was always going to happen; it’s a product of whatever it is in our brains that conditions them to think in terms of opposites. As soon as everyone starts talking about the “alt-right”—that inchoate and incoherent grouping of Nazis, Klansmen, resentful failsons sweating from video games and chicken fingers, cynical media wannabes, bloviating internet commenters who think they’re Ignatius J. Reilly, and others who think they’re the Joker—that word seems to sit on one side of a seesaw, across from a silence waiting to be filled. If there’s an alt-right, there must, somewhere, somehow, be something called an alt-left, otherwise the universe is unbalanced. And while the universe is unbalanced—everywhere, from the points of terrifying heat scattered haphazardly across a lonely void, to the murder and oppression that break out constantly across the world and are never met with justice—for a lot of mediocre intellects, good judgment basically consists of pretending that everything balances out somehow, and all the ledgers are even. Something like the alt-right sticks out, a lexical blasphemy: to put the world in order, you have to invent something equivalent on the left."
- Ramanisky21
- this has to be fake, it's got Pepe in itmonospaced
- i thought they officially embraces pepe.... i can't tell anymore...pango
- the real scum bag white pride nazi fucks do, but I didn't realize they would put that on a peaceful march postersmonospaced
- the right has been arguing that their protest was legitimate and should be respected, and then I see this and I see a disconnect and I don't believe itmonospaced
- cannonball19781
Someone should go and dynamite that statue while nobody is looking.
- and then the alt right can say "look! we nazis are the good guy fighting terrorist" ....pango
- ^sarahfailin
- ^^GuyFawkes
- So what. They are saying that anyway.cannonball1978
- And doing that would legitimize those asshole.pango
- already happened in durham. (mob pulled down a statue)imbecile
- Dynamite? What, like fucking Wile E. Coyote?!!face_melter
- +1 @pangoplash
- No. No it wouldn't legitimize it. We are detonating a statue, not committing a terror act against the alt right. Your logic is stupid.cannonball1978
- Miguex3
- little pinchi putoRamanisky2
- ahh look an internet troll caught out in the wild.Al_dizzle
- Old man at 2:02 is wearing 2/3s of the uniform!nb
- deathboy-5
- pop culture for a grown old generation. more of a fiction reference than a racist statement.uan
- or just a bad ass bike for its time. why do people have to get all weird and look for deeper meaning.deathboy
- it was a fuckin cool bikedeathboy
- I didn't get the BMX memo - who's been complaining about this bike?fadein11
- the car can be perceived as a racist statement as the show depicted a biased picture of the culture of the southern states.uan
- now the reason you like this bike is not the ideology that Lee tried and failed to defend. but the cool car that made amazing stunts in the show.uan
- you ever take it off any sweet jumps?imbecile
- lol, imbecileGnash
- no pegs for them sick endo tricks?! NOPE HAS TO GO!plash
- i never did imbecile. it was my buddies bike. i was always a big bike guy. he would wheel inch shame me on his gen lee. maybe it should be taken downdeathboy
- thanks for reminding me of repressed memories of not riding a bmx bike in a street bike scene.deathboy
- Ramanisky26
- You can still like Johnny Cash even if Johnny Cash don't like you.BK
- BonSeff4
Want to make sure you all saw this photo. It's the line of people in Durham waiting to turn themselves in for toppling the Confed statue.
- *Slow clapRamanisky2
- Bull City stand up!see_bee
- not too many black folks to stand up for their ideals...pr2
- utopian1
"Removing Confederate statues like losing 9/11 memorial"
Says staunch Trump loyalist and Republican Governor of Maine, Paul LePage.
- chukkaphob10
- these guys are nazis like vanilla ice is hip hop. Or McDonald's is a Michelin starred restaurant or Donald trump's a president._niko
- Trump really is the McDonalds of Presidentsset
- he is the perfect final act that has been sewn for decades, but hopefully not.fadein11
- lol @ normalimbecile
- @imbecile explain? why the "lol?" It's not normal to you to be against Nazis?chukkaphob
- daily, normal human beings are capable of hate, murder, disdain, aggression, etc. some of those people may be nazis. don't act like nazis are the only evilimbecile
- It's not normal to you to be against Nazis?chukkaphob
- this guy is pandering and most of qbn is herd mentality, so it works for this crowd. go back to upvoting your own objectification of women of something.imbecile
- It's not normal to you to be against Nazis?chukkaphob
- have fun with thatimbecile
- https://www.vox.com/…imbecile
- nothing more than a narrow minded self serving view that looks to divideimbecile
- detritus0
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/20…
“Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.”
- "We would be making a mistake if we assumed that these sorts of censorship decisions would never turn against causes we love."uan
- They would shut down any opposition without giving it any second thought. That's how dictatorship works.uan
- my point is, he didn't kick them from the internet, just from his servers, and this was a good decision.uan
- Sure, but the article encompaesses much more than the Cloudfront CEO's position - it's aimed at Google et al, which 'ARE' the internet essentially.detritus
- Agreed this is concerning. So is the rush to pass laws labelling white nationalists "terrorists", given the power the U.S. government has acquired since 9/11.yuekit
- relegating these guys to the shadows is a mistake.Gnash
- Bluejam0
- Peach.monoboy
- https://twitter.com/…monoboy
- ahaha that Tuba player rotfl :Dsted
- BonSeff0
this is great
https://twitter.com/riotwomennn/…
- Al_dizzle3
"OkCupid just banned a white supremacist for life"
https://www.engadget.com/2017/08…- Yeah, I don't see this as something to shout proudly about. A very slippery slope.detritus
- he may be the next billionaire by starting KKKupid dating app.capn_ron
- Despite all the press at the moment, I suspect the KKK demographic is more in the hundrednfiddyonaire level...detritus
- nice, capn_!
OkkKupid.com hmmmmGnash - Capn. That's genius!!pango
- okkkcupid.com
Registration Date: 2016-11-23imbecile - kkkupid.com
Registration Date: 2015-11-05imbecile - okkkupid.com
Registration Date: 2017-08-18
which of you is Lucas? :Dimbecile - Goombafrom super mario?since1979
- imbecile1
Yes, What About the “Alt-Left”?
What the counter-protesters Trump despises were actually doing in Charlottesville last weekend.http://www.slate.com/articles/ne…
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I stood with a group of interfaith clergy and other people of faith in a nonviolent direct action meant to keep the white nationalists from entering the park to their hate rally. We had far fewer people holding the line than we had hoped for, and frankly, it wasn’t enough. No police officers in sight (that I could see from where I stood), and we were prepared to be beaten to a bloody pulp to show that while the state permitted white nationalists to rally in hate, in the many names of God, we did not. But we didn’t have to because the anarchists and anti-fascists got to them before they could get to us. I’ve never felt more grateful and more ashamed at the same time. The antifa were like angels to me in that moment.
</quote>
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Who are the antifa?
President Trump equated them with white supremacists. Here's why he’s wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/n…
There are antifa groups around the world, but antifa is not itself an interconnected organization, any more than an ideology like socialism or a tactic like the picket line is a specific group. Antifa are autonomous anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. They expose them to their neighbors and employers, they conduct public education campaigns, they support migrants and refugees and they pressure venues to cancel white power events.