Sexual Harassment of the DAY
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Armie Hammer’s Hollywood Career Is in Freefall as Sex Scandal Explodes on Social Media: https://variety.com/2021/film/ne…
Unverified messages have been blasted across social media, reportedly showing Hammer chatting with several women in explicit conversations displaying his fetishes, where he allegedly expresses his sexual appetite to drink blood, cut toes and enslave sex partners. The messages, allegedly sent by Hammer, describe rape fantasies. One of Hammer’s exes told a tabloid the actor wanted to barbecue and eat her rib. Another ex said in a media interview that he carved his initial into her skin on her pelvis, engaging in “knife play” in the bedroom. Beneath the salacious accusations, which have turned into a media spectacle, the women say Hammer’s sexual proclivities are being used as a smokescreen, and are accusing him of emotional abuse, manipulation and coercion.
- it sounds like a kink. if the agency drops him that means they must have something more concrete. otherwise, they risk getting sued for breaching the contract.pango
- something more criminal.pango
- another tabloid news...pango
- knife play.... knifes and playing... that, yeah, sound safe... ok,, yeah...shapesalad
- ^ like that game they play in Alien - stabbing table between your fingers?Gnash
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There‘s so much more on this account, for example: https://www.instagram.com/p/CK04…
Insane stuff. MM was truly a sociopath, possibly even pedophile.
In this music video he probably re-enacted what he does in private life.
- NBQ00 your time would be better spent looking into Marco market cycles and where commodities are currently at in the cycle.shapesalad
- Why, I‘m already a billionaire thanks to WallStreetBetsNBQ00
- were you a big fan of his or something?fadein11
- I was during the Antichrist and Mechanical Animals era. Not so much after early 2000‘s.NBQ00
- I always thought he put this show up in public but was different in persona. He came off very intelligent in his interviews during that time.NBQ00
- I must admit I thought it was all a front, which makes me find it weird people here are saying all the warning signs were there. If the persona wasfadein11
- the reality it would be strange to get involved with him.fadein11
- Personally, I have never had the remotest interest in him or his music.fadein11
- That IG post makes for revolting reading.
He's an absolute waste of human DNA.
Happy I was never a fan.Continuity
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From ERW‘s IG Stories last night
- so he's a piece of shit. we got that already.
hope there's a shred of definitive evidence. which is usually really hard to come by in this kind of case.pango - if it's a case at all.
is she suing him?pango - Too late for suing now?NBQ00
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯pango
- well if there's no case. there wont be the process of digging the evidence. the entire thing will just turn into a he said she said drama fest.pango
- there will be a bunch of people saying it's her own fault. and a bunch saying what a piece of shit he is. but nothing concrete will come out of it.pango
- I like drama, pango.NBQ00
- ya i can see that :|pango
- The first thing is to bring it all out in the the light and that is what has happened so that is a positivedkoblesky
- Who is ERW?omahadesigns
- Oh Evanomahadesigns
- so he's a piece of shit. we got that already.
- SteveJobs-1
I dated a who a girl not too long ago who was raped by a celeb that everyone (almost literally) on this earth knows. He's always on talk shows and being interviewed and invited to various celeb-filled events. Anyway, he was in her hometown one day at a club and had one of his people invite her to his table. He made all kinds of suggestions about how he could help her business and eventually invited her to leave her friend behind and go with him to his hotel. When they got to his hotel he kept handing her drinks. The next thing she knew, she was waking up that next morning with his fingers inside her. She felt confused about the situation and didn't feel comfortable talking about it at length (understandable).
Fast-forward to several months later. One of her idiot guy friends who she was having a spat with, knew about the situation (which she was telling everyone about, but oddly leaving out the ending) tried to blackmail this celeb. So the celeb had his assistant reach out to her to basically make friends and ensure that if this were to get out or go to court that she would testify on the celeb's behalf. The assistant stayed in contact with her, keeping the conversations casual, and eventually offered to meet her for a 'fun business brunch' to discuss ways they could maybe help her business (this is still the assistant btw, not the celeb). When I pleaded with her to not go, she got defensive, stating that girls like her don't get many opportunities like this and that it could really help her career. We stopped talking shortly thereafter (for other reasons) but in the end the friend eventually had his bluff called and he never followed through with his threats to out the celeb, so I have no idea where things left off with her. But I'm just waiting for the day that someone outs this guy. And I'm curious, depending on whether she's gotten from him what she can use to further herself and her career, whether she'll jump on the bandwagon and cry foul.
It's a sad situation. Everyone in that story is a part of the problem. The celeb for using his influence to bait and manipulate a young girl (23 at the time). The young girl for tolerating his actions and willingness to help cover them up (to "save his marriage", reputation, etc. and further her name and associate with him) in spite of the obvious trauma it caused her. The assistant for being an accomplice to this whole situation. And finally, the asshole 'friend' for, well... for just being an asshole.
The thing is, in many other situations like this, trying to make every a clear case of the female being the victim is ignorant and undermines the efforts by those girls/women who are trying to spread awareness of the actual issue but struggle with abusive relationships because of mental health issues, or hoping to fix/rehabilitate the man, or save the relatioship, or family/kids, etc.
Having said that, these girls who fully understand what kind of trouble they are getting into with celebs but do it for the clout or to further their career only to later suffer the inevitable (bold, italicize, and underline that) emotional trauma/regret that comes with that kind of exchange - they are enabling other non-victims to do the same thing and destroying many innocent lives and the lives of anyone in their wake. What's that called? Oh yeah a sociopath... We need to stop enabling them.
- Interesting. thanks for sharing. You make good points. It gets very complex...but in the end...the perpetrator is...the perpetratordkoblesky
- And what is different is you describe one incident, where this MM situation takes place over years....dkoblesky
- I don't know MM or ERW personally and can't attest to their intent/actions, but his wrongdoing doesn't automatically exculpate her or others.SteveJobs
- But I'm hesitant to judge either way bc yes the situation is complex enough without us all weighing in on something we didn't witness first hand with each girl.SteveJobs
- Somebody has to pay the lawyersStoicLevels
- we dont know him. we dont know her. we might think we do, but we don't. we don't even know what exactly happened. too many detectives *srcsmpango
- he's a scum. she's an opportunist schemer.
blah blah blah.
why not just let it play out? maybe details will be released later and we will actually know what hpango - appened.pango
- Just curious, is the celeb known for this behaviour now or likely still getting away with it?mort_
- Names, ni**ababydick
- every time i hear one of these stories im reminded mathew broderick killed two women in ireland in 1987 through reckless driving and went on to star in a hondakingsteven
- superbowl commercial...kingsteven
- @SteveJobs so do you actually know who the celeb is? or just know from her that the celeb is world famous?Krassy
- @mort, no he’s not known for it at all. Maybe it was a one time thing? No idea
@Krassy, yes I know who it is.SteveJobs - Oops I just noticed I posted my notes in the wrong post.pango
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Khurram....dude. Really
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Something a bit random: I‘m surprised Manson‘s net worth is „only“ $10 million. I thought it would be way higher. He was a mainstream rock star after all. But that explains why he was only able to afford houses for about $1-2 million in LA/ Hollywood Hills.
Trent Reznor‘s net worth is about $80 million. And I think MM was more mainstream than NIN.
- Reznor likely has mad production / publishing credits as well as a ton of movie scores.DaveO
- Manson probably spent a lot of it on drugs booze and hookers, then wasted the rest!DaveO
- I would say NIN and Trent are far more mainstream. He's also not a total freak. And like DaveO says, movie scores and Disney $ toomonospaced
- It‘s still a low net worth for MM if you compare to many other musicians. Even his former drummer Ginger Fish has a $7M net worth.NBQ00
- Who knows maybe he did waste it somewhere.NBQ00
- Trent is way more than 8xs more talented and smarter than Brianfooler
- True truemonospaced
- @fooler Nine (Inch Nails) times more talented!Krassy
- Here’s some stuff he bought https://www.thetalko…scarabin
- That's not that expensive for a celeb of his status. Not like he spent tens of millions for multiple houses or other lavish things.NBQ00
- So it's rather strange. I would assume his net worth should be at least $50M-100M if you consider all the decades of album sales and touring.NBQ00
- Singer Yolandi from Die Antwoord has a $10M net worth too and MM is way bigger, longer in the industry, sold more records and toured in front of bigger crowds.NBQ00
- Most money comes from having good management. Investments, not just royalties.nb
- nb is right. Maintaining wealth through responsible management is paramount when you're wealthymonospaced
- Maybe MM had too many media & entertainment subscriptions going on.NBQ00
- Ok so now I know what happened. Manson got sued by former band member Pogo because MM squandered band‘s monies on many things including Nazi memorabilia.NBQ00
- MM lost the lawsuit and most of his money (and a house apparently too).NBQ00
- Pogo also said he and other band members got screwed and weren‘t paid the promised share by MM.NBQ00
- dkoblesky-4
- Nobody's supporting Manson or thinks he's a stand-up guy, but that's some shitty writing and biased "journalism"_niko
- White Knight!Khurram
- It's not journalism, _niko, it's an opinion piece based on Hollywood gossip and hearsay.Khurram
- "I wanna suck rock star dick! Live a glamorous drug fueled lifestyle! Become a Hollywood superstar actwess!" Dumbass ho', fuck her.Khurram
- Like 18 is some kind of non-consenting child in the care of a guardian, whut??. You're a grown ass woman, bitch, act like it.Khurram
- As if this stick thin, anorexic white girl would be anything if it wasn't for the doors that were opened for her skinny white girl ass.Khurram
- i listened to her testimony, chilling. but i get what niko is saying, he's not some random guy, his music, lyrics and persona, it's all a clear message...renderedred
- "stay away from this douche". i get she was 18, still, how did she not see what's going on?renderedred
- So, you're saying it's her fault she was abused. I hope you never have daughter and this doesn't happen to her.monospaced
- And then you call her a "ho," which of course implies she's selling her body to get ahead. Now you're mad at her, triggered n' shit. Wow.monospaced
- If you had a daughter and this happened, would you really say "dumbass ho, shoulda known better." and then ignore punishment of the man?monospaced
- No I wouldn't call my daughter a ho. I wouldn't put my dick inside my daughter, either, you twat.Khurram
- Never said you would dude. But if you had a daughter and this happened to her, would you call her a dumb ho and say she shoulda known better?monospaced
- or is this hate just saved for Rachel?monospaced
- This didn't just "happen" to her. You're such a fool.Khurram
- Ok. If you had a daughter and she did the same thing, and she was abused like this, would you tell her that?! I’m not a fool.monospaced
- Yes, yes you are. You are a moron. moronspaced! lolKhurram
- are you gonna answer the question or just devolve into name calling like a triggered child in a pathetic attempt at avoidance?monospaced
- Call me all the names you want. Stamp your feet and bitch about it. Doesn’t make it true. At least I’m not the one blaming the victimmonospaced
- Aright, cool head - it's wrong to refer to any woman as "ho" or "bitch" under any circumstances. Ctrlz+z it was a flight of emotion.Khurram
- But i used those terms because she's a woman who won the genetic lottery and traded it for a career in entertainment, like any one of these faceless white ho's.Khurram
- Shit i did it again. So sowwy. :-/Khurram
- *skinny white ho'sKhurram
- Hopefully my daughter will not abuse her body to maintain an impossibly skinny physique or do something as lowly as become an "actress".Khurram
- She won't be white either, kekekekekeKhurram
- Hope that clears things up. *ahem*Khurram
- No. You’re ignoring the scenario. If this was your daughter would you tell her it’s her bad decision and she should have known better? MM is fine???monospaced
- You can’t just say she wouldn’t do that. That is just refusing to answer. If your daughter was in show biz and dated him, would she also be a dumb ho?monospaced
- Oh fuck off you fucking loser. Get a life.Khurram
- dkoblesky-8
_niko.....(sigh)
ok sure. she has some 'responsibility'
what is that exactly?
- To be strong, to be an example for other women, to not let idiots like Manson get away with shit like this?_niko
- but that is exactly what she is doing by coming out with thisdkoblesky
- upvoting and downvoting on these kinds of threads is amusing....upvoting or downvoting WHAT exactly....?dkoblesky
- She appears to be axe grinding, following a relationship that went sour. It's insulting to women who are truly trapped in abusive relationships.Khurram
- And you appear to be blinded by your righteous indignation.Khurram
- what if she wasn't strong. what if she was a naive 18yo who just made a bad relationship decision, like most of us have. Some pretty exacting standards in hereFax_Benson
- What if we don't understand the entirety of the situation and are basing our opinions on sensationalist biased 'news'?Morning_star
- 'appears to be' axegrindingdkoblesky
- We're talking about fucking Marilyn Manson here. Ma-ry-lin Man-son.
I don't get how it's not clear what anyone was signing up for here.Nairn - Does anybody here have daughters? do you teach them to be strong? to be smart? to make wise decisions? do you teach them to be in control of their lives and_niko
- that their actions have consequences? or do you tell them that they're weak and useless and will inevitably be taken advantage of because they're dumb girls?_niko
- and that they'll bear no responsibility for anything ever? that they're only poor victims? That's so fucking dehumanizing._niko
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_niko
this blame the victim thing is bullshit. "What did she expect" is the kind of crap that men used to say about sexy women who were raped
I have first hand experience with victims of abuse and it is truly damaging and real. Just saying 'they should leave' is so glib
Watch 'What's love got to do with it" and see how you feel afterwords.
What reason does a successful actress have to come out and do this? Then a bunch of other women?
Of course it all needs to be looked at objectively. But there is no upside to a victim coming out like this, except to:
- Heal for themselves...because abusive relationship are toxic and hard to get over
- Prevent it from happening to othersYou think all these women got together and just said 'let's fuck up MM, we just don't like him!'
The example of that is Tara Reade, who accused Biden. The details were looked into, and it was clear that her allegations did not hold up. So it can happen.....but that does not appear to be the case here.
A lot of women, corroboration....the pushback is weak.
so glibWatch 'What's love got to do with it" and see how you feel afterwords. It is scary when Ike Turner winds up alone with Tina.
And the fact that Dita von Teese came out and said that was not her experience does not invalidate the claims. Think about what she said about why she left him, after a year of marriage:
"I left 12 months later due to infidelity and drug abuse"
Well then....all good then....?
- sorry for the long rant. I just cannot bear those statement blaming the victim.dkoblesky
- Agreed, and excellently put, sir.Continuity
- @dkoblesky your perspective is incredibly naive. Why do you think this is being played out so publicly? It's no accident.Morning_star
- I don’t think niko is saying that they women are lyingGnash
- Yeah I don’t think she’s lying or am dismissing her claims or defending mm in any way, I just refuse to absolve her of her responsibility in all of this._niko
- I refuse to accept the narrative that women are weak, women are dumb, women are all victims women do t know any better which sounds like what you’re_niko
- ...Saying. My wife told me about this story first and she said “what an idiot, what did she expect and why did she stick around so long?” So women have_niko
- ...little sympathy for her too. I’m blaming Manson for all of this mostly but I’m blaming her a little too. It’s not complicated._niko
- And you’re painting abusive relationships in broad strokes, this isn’t Ike and Tina this isn’t Weinstein, this isn’t Cosby this isn’t Gomeshi, I’m commenting_niko
- ...on these two and this situation specifically. If you want to go back through pages and pages of this shitty thread you won’t find a single instance_niko
- ... of me commenting about any other female victim of the hundreds of other perpetrators. But for whatever reason this case just seemed off to me._niko
- i actually agree with dkoblesky here :/pango
- one thing i'm certaine is we dont know the detail from both sides.pango
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I love and respect Trent highly but he‘s a bit of a hypocrite now in regards MM. Saying that he cut ties with him 25 years ago when that‘s not quite true. They were on and off in contact together. Examples being MM appearing in NIN‘s Starfucker Inc. video and in early 2000‘s them performing live on stage at each other’s shows many times. Also just 3 years ago Trent sent an email to MM reconciling and saying how he misses the times when music was dangerous during their era.
Anyway I‘m curious how this all plays out for Manson and if he‘ll see any consequences that are bigger than what is now. Maybe even jail-time a la Harvey Weinstein.
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Interesting video from December.
- is this your new thing?fadein11
- don't want to victim blame here or excuse this Dbag but his whole schtick is sadistic horror punk, what did she expect?_niko
- this is the side that she was drawn to initially, it's what turned her on and why she stuck around so long. Not saying she was an enabler but she should have_niko
- bounced from the get-go. I think manson deserves to get fucked but I also don't have much sympathy for her either._niko
- I dont want to victim blame but....what did she expect....?
Fucking hell.thumb_screws - I have other things to worry about than these two idiots, fuck them. She was dating this dirtbag for 4 years and was engaged to him, take some ownership of your_niko
- ...bad decisions._niko
- like if i decide to date anal tattoo chick https://img.huffingt…_niko
- there's a certain level of crazy and danger and drama that I know I'm getting myself into, so I'm not going to be too shocked when she finally stabs me lol_niko
- Suspect that being groomed and manipulated as an 18 year old by a person with power and influence18 years your senior makes it pretty tough to take ownership..thumb_screws
- ..of “bad decisions”. Using caveats “I don’t won’t to victim blame..” Is still victim blaming.thumb_screws
- Maybe, but putting some blame on her does t admonish his actions or make them any less horrific. There is wei Stein, Cosby and goneshi who are_niko
- Different beasts all together. These two were in a fucked up long term relationship. If we take all power and ownership of action from women_niko
- It diminishes them as human beings, makes them second class citizens and completely negates feminism._niko
- So yeah if I decide to go to a seedy neighborhood off the resort in Mexico to buy some drugs and I go there flashing cash and wearing a Rolex and I end up_niko
- Getting robbed, me, you and everybody else would blame me for being such an idiot. Now of course the dudes that robbed me deserve to be in jail but that doesn’t_niko
- ...Disqualify me from owning up to my mistakes, that’s all._niko
- Anyway I don’t like or am defending the guy, I’ve always found him to be a creep and a douche and I hope he gets what’s coming to him_niko
- lol
"I dont want to victim blame but....what did she expect....?"
immediately did the thing he said he didn't want to do.pango - I couldn't give a fig about the dude, but I'm totally with _niko here - wtf would you expect to be getting into? And for how long?Nairn
- It's like sneaking into a zoo to go fuck a lion and complaining about it biting your leg off.Nairn
- Hmm. don't want to compare MM to a lion.
Snapping turtle.Nairn - 'Yo frog, take me across the river'
'Ok scorpion, jump on'
swim, swim, swim
'Owww, why d'yo sting me'
drown, drown, drown.Morning_star - haha yeah pango man when you say "I don't want to victim blame" it implies " I don't like victim-blaming usually but in this case, I'll do it._niko
- Also it doesn’t mean the victim has 100% of the blame just that she deserves some blame in all of this._niko
- I think those comparisons are pretty shit. It’s making light of an individuals trauma and alleged assaults.thumb_screws
- "You should of known better” People end up in situations that they are not in control of through manipulation. So because she didn't recognise these signs...thumb_screws
- ... she's partly to blame?thumb_screws
- I get the sentiment of "You should of known better" but dont think it's applicable. MM is not a "bad" neighbourhood. It appears that he has targeted women....thumb_screws
- ...that he felt he could get away with this shit.thumb_screws
- @thumbscrews. We’re talking about Marilyn Manson, a hugely famous public figure who’s penchant for the more depraved side of life appeared consistently in the..Morning_star
- Media. Even the most sheltered person would have some kind of incling of what to expect. No one is saying that ERW deserved or encouraged abuse however she’s...Morning_star
- ...from an incredibly exploitative and manipulative industry, full of bullshit stories used to further careers. No one is blameless.Morning_star
- I take a different view with the whole “their reputation precedes them so you should know better”thumb_screws
- If, after unveiling, Red Hiding Hood still sucked off the wolf, would you perhaps admit that perhaps she was perhaps allowed her own choice of destiny?Nairn
- It' all getting a bit blurry because of the Persona MM has created.thumb_screws
- People who suffer manipulative abuse cant always make informed decisions that would let them exit an abusive relationships.thumb_screws
- You just can’t exclude the fact the MM was a global phenomena and ERW was an actress. That particular dynamic and what it means should be considered.Morning_star
- try to look at it from the POV of an 18yo girl starting out and a famous, manipulative 30-something that may have acted totally different to his repFax_Benson
- A middle-aged married man on the internet stating he'd be clever enough not to go out with a hypothetical crazy chick is totally irrelevant.Fax_Benson
- so many detectives here.pango
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- Krassy2
CAA Talent Agency Drops Marilyn Manson Following Abuse Allegations from Evan Rachel Wood and Others
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/cel…
- Next one to drop him is his double chin he tried hiding under turtlenecks and make up.NBQ00
- https://64.media.tum…Gardener
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Been going through the new Louis Theroux podcasts grounded and the Rose McGowan and Fka twigs one are pretty harrowing. They go into their experiences and the twigs one is really insightful into how a relationship can descend that far. How people not wanting to rock the boat enables the perpetrators.
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Just went through all the posts in her stories where she put up a compilation of other women and people coming forward: https://www.instagram.com/storie…
Apparently he was racist too. Kinda sad to read all of this. In public he didn’t make such an impression.
I feel sorry for her and Woods and all the other women.
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I‘m reading the statement by one of MM‘s former girlfriends and have to admit it‘s quite detailed and seems genuine https://www.instagram.com/p/CKvn…
It seems he was a control freak sociopath.
Here‘s some of the other women: https://twitter.com/lifeisamalap…
- None of this stuff is particularly surprising. Imagine you are as famous as this guy was a decade or so ago, and then add in whatever weird issues he has.yuekit
- Or famous like Derrick May within a smaller niche, people telling him he's the god of techno or whatever lol.yuekit
- Just take one look at the dude, what did these girls expect?utopian
- Fuck off utopian. I mean...fuck off.dkoblesky
- "they should not have dressed provactively. what did they expect?"dkoblesky
- so if Trent Reznor killed his wife or girlfriend or whatever...the cops should say 'what did they expect?'dkoblesky
- Please don‘t drag Trent into this :)NBQ00
- yeah, have a think, utopian you dickhead. Imagine yourself saying that to her - an (alleged) victim of a coercive, manipulative sexual bullyFax_Benson
- 'what di you expect?'
unreal.Fax_Benson - That Sourgirrrl just sounds like a fucking freak that regrets her decisions.Hayzilla
- „Fucking freak“, huh?NBQ00
- dkoblesky0
Of course no one should judge Marilyn Manson without all the details.
But the record label will know more details than we do.
Hard to believe this shit is coming out of thin air, that these women are all making this up. FIVE women
https://www.vanityfair.com/holly…
I loved Kevin Spacey....but when he went down it was clear there was a LOT of evidence that he needed to go down. Same with Louis CK.
If it really is bullshit it can be pushed back on, like with Biden and we learn that it is.
- 'Not saying he is an angel' is not a defensedkoblesky
- Cancel culture is weeding out those who thought they got away with it, which is good. Hopefully this results in more immediate allegations moving forward...ideaist
- The Times They Are a-Changin', eh?ideaist
- women have a voice now. do not underestimate how important that is.
and to add clarification: victims have a voice nowdkoblesky - Think the Louis CK case was a bit lower on the spectrum, but doesn't change what he did. Just saying there's a spectrum.Ianbolton
- so let me get this straight: all those women expected that deep inside he is just a lovely romantic guy that happens to like a bit of makeup? C-c-c-come on!rzu-rzu
- his music is pretty rubbish tbhGardener
- If only there were signs that he was a bit off. Girls would have been able to steer clearGnash
- Its naive to think its impossible that five people cant coordinate a character hit. That said, if its true, he should get his just deserts.cannonball1978
- good point @ dkobleskyGuyFawkes
- so if a musician's music is intense then you should expect that they will abuse you?
that is a bullshit argumentdkoblesky - This is ridiculous. Relationships are traumatic for all concerned. Nobody gets out alive. And she looks like a fucking coke-head anyway.Khurram
- And where exactly is the sexual harassment?? "oh the record company has secret information!" lol What a load of bollocks.Khurram
- That's fucking horrible, Khurram. Genuinely. Meathead stuff.Fax_Benson
- I'm sorry you feel that way Fax. I've had personal experience with girlfriends in the past with substance abuse issues, including having kitchen knives pulledKhurram
- on me and cellphones thrown at my head. I'm not going to condemn a man based on one-sided muckraking journalism with absolutely ZERO substance.Khurram
- Tempted to ask what did you expect, and suggest you may have looked like a fucking cokehead anyway, but that would be stupid.Fax_Benson
- Exactly mate. Exactly.Khurram
- I'm sorry you were in a shit situation. And I believe the story, despite the lack of evidence.Fax_Benson
- As a lifelong fan, I don’t doubt any of it.scarabin
- It's not the lack of evidence I'm concerned about. It's the lack of substance.Khurram
- I read in Raygun magazine that he liked having sex in those freezers in supermarkets. So yeah, that explains it all.Ianbolton
- Krassy4
Marilyn Manson dropped by record label after Evan Rachel Wood's abuse allegations
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/c…
- Not saying he‘s an angel but they were together for 3 years and almost married and no evidence that he did what she claimed.NBQ00
- why is he not an angel then? If you don't believe her at least commit to it.Fax_Benson
- what about the other women?dkoblesky
- abuse is complicated, can involve manipulation like she suggests. of course it may not be true. but her being with him not necessarily proof of his innocencedkoblesky
- There's something inherently unfair about this 'trial by media'. Whether or not MM was abusive it's incredibly difficult to have any kind of objective view...Morning_star
- ...without being painted as an excuser or worse. One thing that stood out for me is that the statements from other women read like they were all written by...Morning_star
- ...the same person, same vocab/adjectives etc. They also fall short of actually offering any specific incidents, its mostly generic or post-relationship. This..Morning_star
- ..could be because of legal issue or it could be because the guys a shit partner and likes to control his GFs or something completely unknown. However, in the..Morning_star
- ...court of public opinion MM is now an abuser and ERWs a brave victim and there is very little that can change that now.Morning_star
- we will see. more details will come out. Don't feel sorry for MM. Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still workingdkoblesky
- +1 Morning_starGuyFawkes
- Krassy3
- "Seven More Derrick" is my new band namesarahfailin
- I've heard stories for years from friends who have booked him... this has been a long time coming and unfortunately most likely wholly accurate.fadein11
- Derrick May (try to have sex with you).ideaist
- The Jimmy Savile of Detroit Techno. (my new band name)mort_
- "Derrick May (or May Not, But Probably May) Sexually Harass You" is my new band nameKrassy
- Let's do a festival. Derrick can warm up. Sorry, _may_ warm up.mort_
- May Accusers Come Forward
(my New band name)utopian - He's fucking overrated x1000 anyways. Mediocre at best DJ, and hasn't made any music for 30+ years (probably because he sucks at that too).section_014
- Jimmy Saville is a bit inaccurate .. they are all over age. dude is a douche for sure, but no one is suggesting a pedoautoflavour
- Beat me to the 'derrick may...' jokes.StoicLevels
- If he's charged it would be wise not to set bail, as Derrick May fly.Fax_Benson
- So apparently all of this happened because the guy who wrote the song "Strings of Life" was based on... who felt Derrick May never credited himyuekit
- and didn't share royalties... posted the allegations.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - Talk about karma coming back to bite you!yuekit
