Leaving Neverland
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- babydick
Just finished the documentary.
Fuck.
That was quite a ride.
- hotroddy3
Shame you never met him BABYDICK.
- mg330
Wildly disturbing and sad and I only saw the first episode. It's really the ultimate commentary on our world before the Internet, social media, 24/7 media exposure, etc.
It was easy to believe MJ couldn't have possibly done those things because they weren't being reported or rumored about everywhere you looked. You were limited to newspapers - primarily entertainment-centric papers - or TV news. Maybe some magazines. Only in hindsight do we look back and say "how did people not know what was going on????"
The parents of the boys are definitely at fault but were absolutely under the haze of his stardom and the associated trappings there kids were enjoying. But I really tried to look at it from that pre-Internet lens that lacked hyper-availability of information 24/7.
- mort_5
Really can't find any reason to watch this.
- PhanLo-1
- freedom1
He lived in a theme park and his music was nice but the parents letting their kid hang out with him seems strange.
And then they slept in the same bed?
- They were easily reeled in by money power and greed.Ramanisky2
- IMO, they are as culpable as MJ. But documentary had to be very careful not to demonize the mothers. Otherwise no story.hotroddy
- mothers were profiting.hotroddy
- Sort of a form of child trafficking? By the parents?PhanLo
- more behaving like agents and wanting to be blind.hotroddy
- feel-1
if you analyse the billie jean song, it sounds like he is trying to hide a relationship with a kid, he never mentions that his lover had a son that was not his, he could be refering to an actual kid that is not his son and being his lover
- mekk0
We need to listen to the victims and take them seriously, although we can't outsource our justice to Hollywood.
- Wacko Jacko was Hollywood.PhanLo
- ^ I'm talking about this True Crime entertainment trend. It is important to hear those stories but this industry downgrades victims to stories.mekk
- I don't think anybody cares about the stories of the victims unless it generates clicks and ad revenue. Even then, people are just profiting off trauma.PhanLo
- dbloc0
I haven't finished yet. I hope Macaulay Culkin finally admits that he was a victim.
- You've...'not finished yet'? Sorry, I scrolled up from the bottom of the page, so perhaps I've missed something - but are you whacking off to this thread?Nairn
- what are you going on about? I haven't finished the series, not the thread. I have a 1 1/2 year old daughter, so TV watching time is limited.dbloc
- Poor joke, apologies if not clear.Nairn
- I finished really quickly. Was so into it.set
- Thanks, set!
:\Nairn - Sorry. I haven't watched it.set
- feel2
just watched the whole thing, it's weird
I just think boycotting his music is silly, it doesn't even belong to him anymore
- Continuity1
I've no need to see this.
For one thing, I was never a fan of him or his music, on an entertainment level.
For another, I always thought he was an utter, utter creep, even as a kid. It was widely rumoured he was a kiddie-diddler even back in the 80s, and this documentary's existence (and content) comes to me as absolutely no surprise.
- hotroddy-1
Stumbled upon this video.
Seems like the black male community seems to be defending MJ. They are more upset with oprah and the mothers than what MJ did.
In the first 4 minutes (couldn't watch more after that) The gentleman in this video admits that he is Black first and everything else second.Prioritizing identity over facts and logic. Almost religion like.
- makes no sensedbloc
- Happened when it came out Afrika Bambaataa was a child abuser. Folk blamed the Illuminati and whole loads of other shite.PhanLo
- Also Michael Jackson hated being black, so much so he had his skin bleached and his features removed so he could look like a manga character...PhanLo
- ...what sort of message does that send to young black children?PhanLo
- this tribal phenomenon transcends beyond any particular race. its an ugly part of human nature.hotroddy
- Heal the world, make it a better place.
For you and for me and the entire human race.PhanLo - sing it! we are the world. we are the children.hotroddy
- drgs1
In the evil circle of pedophilia, many of the abused children grow up to be pedophiles themselves. I wonder if MJ himself was abused in his childhood/early career
- MJ was beaten by his dad and separated from other children from an early age.
Doesn't justify building a zoo in his back garden though.PhanLo - I mean sexually abuseddrgs
- Someone posted on here that his brothers got him two prostitutes at aged 15 to lose his virginity. Apparently that traumatised him quite a bit.PhanLo
- MJ was beaten by his dad and separated from other children from an early age.
- BK0
Is it still ok to listen to the Jackson 5? I'm all about that Tito.