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- neverscared1
- lovelyAQUTE
- dpmt let chimp see it...he will start a rant that its a fake news story by reuters or the guardian... the evil media...neverscared
- This is how bird flu startedShenanigansTV
- dasohr5
Went and saw Primus last week at the Virgin Hotel. Got wasted, bought a shirt and had a real good time. And caught Covid. Been isolating in my own house away from the wife for the past 6 days. First couple days were ruff, now it's better, but everything tastes and smells like rotten bananas. Oh and I also had to cancel my flight to see the fam overseas. Sucks for me. At least I got to see Primus.
Wear a mask kids.
- Primus sucks.monospaced
- Get well sooonzPhanLo
- Primus is awesome. Covid sucks. Wear a maskautoflavour
- Zinc acetate spray. Walgreens sells it as "zicam". Vitamin D helps too. Good luck... flu comes on around the 8th day. Rough ride, buckle up.cherub
- Did they play with black angels?futurefood
- The Black Angles were the opener and are much better live than on record.dasohr
- I love Black Angels but hate Covid. I'm on day 6 with this never-ending shit. I'm iffy about Primus but I like Les Claypool with Sean Lennon.CyBrainX
- Realllly wanted to see Black Angels and they played with Primus recently near LA, but I was out of town.futurefood
- I went to go see Black Angles and totally missed Primus here in Long Beach. Caught COVID too... WTH????mapleT
- ^yea, that was the show I wanted to see!futurefood
- Covid is on tour right now?cherub
- I saw les claypool live playing bass once when primus toured, and he played "thieves" from ministry on the bass. Whole crowd started singing along...cherub
- They canceled the European leg of their tour... Maybe?dasohr
- nb1
Los Angeles has just broken their record of new cases in a summer month.
New York has higher new cases than this time last year.
It’s a comin for ya boys. Mask up, keep your immune system in tip top shape, and be safe. Live your life as you would but take some basic precautions.
- nb-2
I’m telling you!
- https://twitter.com/…nb
- oh fuck off with your "maybe and "might"hans_glib
- (@alexfuckface, not you)hans_glib
- He probably says “may” because he’s a doctor (ie scientist) and he’s accustomed to qualifying his statements when he has limited data.nb
- I’ve learned to do a similar thing in my job, because if I make a claim like, “most of our users...” someone will ask me to reference the data that gets to “most”nb
- fuck me, doctors - as knowledgeable as they are - are NOT scientists.pr2
- They have a science background. Dude, you pretend you know better than doctors because you make videos. Lololsnb
- So how did this work out? BA.5 Was just another scare story.Chimp
- necromation12
Had my second dose two weeks ago after catching it in 2020 and ending up of hospital... So one infection and three shots later, it go me again and i can say its a much more speeded up cycle i was testing negative within 6 days - the first 4 days was a bitch tho, body aches, headaches and sore throat. i developed a blocked nose for about 4 days after testing negative, but i was back training in the gym and running after a week... not 8 months like the first time.
- Glad to hear your well!Chimp
- His well what?Continuity
- His well of good health overfloweth.garbage
- https://www.dictiona…Chimp
- adverb:
in a good or satisfactory mannerChimp - https://i.redd.it/w7…Chimp
- The confident idiot.palimpsest
- I just got it for the first time. Slept for 16 hours yesterday. Wonder if it would've been worse sans vax.wagshaft
- @wags It definitely would have been. I almost died, was puking blood after I tore my esophagus from coughing, shat my brains out, lost about 30lbs, etc.garbage
- Why didn't you try the horsey paste? Or the bleach injections?utopian
- Damn garbage. Puking blood? What happened that it got that bad? High viral load? Do you french kiss someone w/ covid? lolcherub
- @utop This was Feb/March 2020, before people had any time to come up with stupid ideas.garbage
- @cherub I wrote it up somewhere on here, but basically I was coughing so violently that I tore the upper part of my esophagus. Occasionally the upper part of..garbage
- ..my throat would pop up and block my windpipe. I would have random fits where my throat would close up and I'd be suffocating.garbage
- These kept happening after I self-quarantined in my office for several weeks. My gf had to learn CPR. It became a morbid joke.garbage
- One day I was working in my office and an attack hit me. She was right on the other side of the door but I couldn't get her attention.garbage
- Put my fist on my xiphoid process, jumped chest-first into a door frame full speed, spiraling into a pile of camera gear while letting out an insane burp-gasp.garbage
- Should have been on a respirator, probably needed surgery, but hey. I'm 1099 and this is fucking America.garbage
- garbage, you kinds sound like my brother who have himself frost bite for falling asleep on cold compress. your condition has very little to do with covid...pr2
- ...and a lot to do with your inability to understand limits of your own body.pr2
- Shit, man! Garbage... I hope your doing much better now. People continue to fuck around with this thing like its a joke. Even now people stare me like i've...necromation
- got three heads on the tube here. i'm like fuck that, especially after reading you can catch it again within 2 months... This thing is mean and here to staynecromation
- @pr2 Eh, I kinda worked in medical publishing for 7 years, editing educational models for medical boards, universities, and hospitals that are household names.garbage
- So unlike your brother, I'm not a fucking idiot. Seems it runs in the family.. did your parents happen to be brother and sister?garbage
- @necro Thanks, yeah I'm better now. Crazy to think that was well over 2 years ago. I did have incredibly severe reactions to my jabs, but I was ready for em.garbage
- Fuck the haters, and get well soon bro!garbage
- pr2 as usual is a fucking retard cuck fuckbabydick_
- Eh leave him be, he's only little.garbage
- I'm just getting over it this week. I got it 11 days ago. Days 2-5 sucked hard. Swallowing was nearly impossible it was so painful. I'd say it lasted about 8-9CyBrainX
- ...days. My GF got it a week before me and is still feeling it. The first variant before vaccines would have killed me. I have a bad history with chest colds.CyBrainX
- grafician0
- crypto graph?hans_glib
- Study saying if you had it you're better protected after 1 year > vaccinesgrafician
- yes, but that would require you actually having it, so...scruffics
- I had it at Xmas. I was out in basement bar with my gf 2 weeks ago, all our other friends caught it apart from us. Natural immunity still seems to be strong.Chimp
- lol what study, you don't even know how to read this graph.sted
- Even better if you are vaccinated AND get it. Who wouldn’t want that.monospaced
- There is very little extra protection to be had taking the vaccine if you already have had covid.Chimp
- "Previously infected "are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination,"Chimp
- https://www.medscape…Chimp
- You are ignoring the benefit of the vaccine. Again. Lol.monospaced
- There is no benefit if you have been infected, that's what the science says anyway.Chimp
- Mono ignoring science. Again. Lol.Chimp
- grafician-5
"‘Centaurus’: virologists express concern at new Covid subvariant
Omicron variant BA.2.75 has been detected in India, UK, US, Australia, Germany and Canada"
- Chimp0
"Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of special interest.
The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials"
- So the risks of the vaccine outweighed the risks of covid.Chimp
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- Utopian, do you have anything constructive to say? Do you disagree with the paper? One of the authors was the senior editor of the BMJ.Chimp
- Things that stand out to me: 1. Abdominal pain and diarrhea are among the "serious adverse effects".pusherbot
- 2. Mentions another paper to say "No reduction in mortality in mRNA vaccine trials" which is news to me if true.pusherbot
- That said, I agree with the request made, that "Full transparency of the COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial data is needed", if it is in fact not available.pusherbot
- “ This is a preprint article, it offers immediate access but has not been peer reviewed.”monospaced
- Interesting points pusherbot. Mono, this has been authored by scientists from UCLA, the senior editor of the BMJ and scientists from Stanford.Chimp
- Pusherbot, here is a link to a summary of the paper that discovered that the mRNA vaccines didn’t lower over all mortality.Chimp
- https://brownstone.o…Chimp
- @mono, let’s stop pretending peer review works. https://www.vox.com/…Chimp
- “ Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals” https://www.ncbi.nlm…Chimp
- Yes I can read. Jesus.monospaced
- And let’s stop pretending peer review isn’t important. Fuck off with your bullshit.monospaced
- Mono, are you sating this paper is bullshit?Chimp
- Mono, it feels like you have a religious attachment to the Covid vaccines that blinds you from any science that contradicts you point of view.Chimp
- The logical response would be to read this paper and then update your thinking based on it, rather than an emotional based response.Chimp
- Im not saying this is bullshit. I’m saying that your claim that peer review isn’t necessary is bullshit.monospaced
- I did read the paper. I also noticed the FIRST THING it says is that it’s not peer reviewed. Surely it will be. No need to call names like a childish bitchmonospaced
- My copy paste wasn’t emotional. Perhaps you imagined something I said and that triggered YOUR emotional response and name calling. Grow up.monospaced
- And all I want to say is that something being peer reviewed isn't the most important thing here, hence the articles I posted :)Chimp
- isn't it just saying that the tests weren't complete? we kind of knew this already, it was an emergency approval.uan
- So do you admit the paper isn't BS and the vaccines could do more harm than good? Or do you disagree with the paper?Chimp
- the other thing that comes to mind is, they were approved also by other states, EU or Switzerland...so there were other experts eyes on the data before use.uan
- It seems like you have an allergic reaction to anything negative posted about the covid vaccines. It's best to keep calm and have an open mind on the subject.Chimp
- further investigation is good to prepare for future crisis. Let's hope this doesn't get trapped in black and white thinking and gets ignored.uan
- A lot can be learned from the whole pandemic. Here in Madrid we never totally locked down again after 2020. BCN did but their numbers were no better.Chimp
- We should also be careful about any new laws brought in that are still in force now that there is no emergency.Chimp
- Also BCN was no better off for introducing draconian Chinese style vaccine passports.Chimp
- I think my allergic reaction is to ppl who ignore that everything that was done (just or not) was to protect the highest amount of human lives possible.uan
- even if ppl or institutions in power abuse this events for their own advantage, we did what we did and we only can try to be better in the future.uan
- uan, I was referring to our friend Mono.Chimp
- As you said, now is the time to critique the response and hopefully those in power won't make the same mistakes again.Chimp
- In Austria, major human rights were broken to force people to take an experimental vaccine that perhaps now turns out be more harmful than Covid.Chimp
- How many countries are giving compensation to those killed or hurt by the vaccines?Chimp
- Will the vaccine companies pay the compensation? https://www.bmj.com/…Chimp
- Is this for all variants? There was a sharp drop in infections and deaths after the vaccines were rolled out initially, now it seems they do fuck all for new_niko
- ...strains and obviously could do more harm since they’re ineffective._niko
- @niko It’s taking data from when the vaccines were rolled out. Another paper discovered that the vaccines didn’t lower all case mortality.Chimp
- As time goes on and more people have reactions against it the risk / benefit will decrease even further. Plus Covid is no where near as dangerous as it was.Chimp
- It could also be a contributing factor to the rise in non Covid excess deaths that are quite a bit above average.Chimp
- Chimp even if this paper is accurate...it doesn't say people are dying from the vaccines. It says there is an increase of 10-15 adverse events per 10,000 peopleyuekit
- The all cause mortality doesn't conclude that people are dying from the vaccine but this paper does.Chimp
- yuekit: "Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of special interest"Chimp
- Where does it say people are dying? Based on their list, "adverse event of special interest" can include having a headache, nausea, etc.yuekit
- It could also include something more serious like myocarditis but it's an increase of 10 for Pfizer, 15 for Moderna, in a group of 10,000 people.yuekit
- And in a way it's like...what is even the news here? I thought everyone knew some people got side effects from the vaccine.yuekit
- If you read it death is one of side effects.
"An SAE was defined as an
107 adverse event that results in any of the following conditions: death;..."Chimp - It's a known fact that the vaccines have killed people. I know two people.Chimp
- I'd say its big news that the vaccines have more risk than infection as this paper states. It puts into question the whole draconian vaccine passport nonsense.Chimp
- Yeah I remember you mentioning that. But this study absolutely does not point to people dying from the vaccine.yuekit
- If you take this study seriously, what it says is that there's a very small increase in adverse health events from the vaccine.yuekit
- The more controversial claim would be that the vaccines barely do anything at all to reduce hospitalizations, and therefore even this small increase makes themyuekit
- a net negative. But that's the proper interpretation, not that it is killing people.yuekit
- It includes death in the SAE definition.Chimp
- And this second claim seems questionable, how to square it with the fact that unvaccinated people are hospitalized at such disproportionate numbers?yuekit
- It theoretically includes death but did people die?yuekit
- So if there are more adverse health events from the vaccine than infection you're better off not taking it. Unless you're in a high risk group.Chimp
- OK I found it, the study claims that 31 people died in the vaccine group, 30 people died in the placebo group.yuekit
- Well here is one: https://www.bbc.com/…Chimp
- So again if accurate this would suggest vaccines aren't saving lives at all but it also means people taking the vax aren't dying at a higher rate than normal.yuekit
- If you're gonna cite a study I think you've got to stick with what the study actually says and not just general message of "vaccines are bad" right?yuekit
- We will have to wait a few more years to see how many more people die or have serious side effects of the vaccine. No one really knows.Chimp
- The paper says that there is more risk of having a serious adverse reaction from taking the vaccine than being infected by covid.Chimp
- Yeah that's a more accurate summary -- or being hospitalized with COVID rather.yuekit
- Also worth pointing out this study seems to have been heavily criticized by other scientists.yuekit
- It brings into question measures like draconian vaccine passports and the shaming of people who didn't want to take them.Chimp
- I'm not trying to be pro vaccine shill or whatever but I think it's worth reading some of the criticisms.
https://sciencebased…yuekit - https://respectfulin…yuekit
- Basically it seems like they are criticizing the study for not comparing the proper things. Like the study counts total number of adverse events, which can beyuekit
- multiple events per person...you get heartburn but also a headache. But then when counting COVID hospitalizations it only counts once.yuekit
- So yeah, I could see how that could seriously distort the numbers. Not saying which side is right or wrong but I think it has to be squared somehow with theyuekit
- I think it will come under a lot of criticism but that doesn't mean it's not valid.Chimp
- real-world data that shows vaccinated people being hospitalized and dying from COVID at a much lower rate.yuekit
- But are also then dying or having adverse side effect from the vaccine.Chimp
- The real world data says that the mRNA vaccines didn't decrease all cause mortality compared to the AstraZeneca vaccines.Chimp
- Then the AstraZeneca vaccine was stopped because it was dangerous for younger people.Chimp
- I'm talking about hospital records that show people who are hospitalized for COVID are disproportionately not vaccinated.yuekit
- https://www.cdc.gov/…yuekit
- And there is the same thing in pretty much every country, state, city. How do you reconcile that with the vaccine not working?yuekit
- So the point here is that the vaccines protected against Covid but caused other problems that neutralised their overall usefulness.Chimp
- But who’s to say any adverse reaction on their list is equally bad as being hospitalized for COVID?yuekit
- I dunno...I think the criticisms of the study have some merit. Read the links I posted.yuekit
- chimp you're misinterpreting the abstract. looking for information wish to see. adverse effects are *temporally* *associated.*sarahfailin
- chimp, you seem to be a little too excited about the possibility that you are right on this. Gonna be a lonely planet when everyone's dead.bogue
- Chimp : https://youtu.be/dxg…bogue
- I don’t know how many scientific papers it will take to convince the religious that these “vaccines” were not what were promised.Chimp
- uan0
A potential drug on the horizon:
- yuekit0
Two new major peer reviewed studies, suggesting that the origin of SARS-2 was the wildlife trade and that it spilled over at least twice from animals to humans at the Huanan Market in Wuhan.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
Angela Rasmussen, one of the virologists involved, summarizes the findings here:
- ...from that lab near by?grafician
- The lab was on the other side of the city. You'd have to explain how two separate originating strains of the virus both ended up at a market selling animals.yuekit
- not to mention somebody from the lab could've sold the infected animals for quick cashgrafician
- pretty sure the only conclusion we can agree on is that we might never know what actually happened there.
And this means it will happen again...grafician - but just like with Chernobyl, the truth will come out after the fall of the regimegrafician
- Possible but it's not like a virus only comes from a lab. The animal industry in China involves hundreds of millions of animals and it's poorly regulated.yuekit
- The animals are often stacked on top of each other in cages, allowing them to spread viruses between each other. The viruses recombine and you get somethingyuekit
- like the SARS-1 virus back in early 2000s, and now probably also SARS-2.yuekit
- That's not how it works. This virus originated in bats and was brought to that near by lab for studies.grafician
- And they keep repeating "lab or nature" IS NOT ONE OR THE OTHER fucking idiots,
nobody said it was "man made" just escaped from a labgrafician - It could have been brought to Wuhan by scientists but was it? There's no direct evidence of that so far, just a lot of suspicions.yuekit
- Funny how all other natural virus origins were found quickly but this one is taking years.Chimp
- You have to be extremely naive to believe this came only from nature and did not escape form the near by lab experimenting on this exact type of virus.Chimp
- Funny how morons think this is man made but don’t question the hundreds of other coronaviruses we’ve dealt with regularly.monospaced
- Because this one acts very differently and has a ton of evidence it escaped from the lab.Chimp
- Funny how morons think this is natural but don’t question the hundreds of other viruses that have escaped the lab.Chimp
- With most of the viruses throughout history, we have no idea exactly how it spread from animals to humans. No one ever found the animal that spread Spanish Fluyuekit
- to humans, no one knows how Ebola spread to humans, the exact origin of AIDS is still unknown. So you wouldn't necessarily expect to easily find the source.yuekit
- And I get why people are so convinced it was a lab leak -- it fits into a narrative about not trusting the Chinese government, which I don't disagree with.yuekit
- But a narrative doesn't tell you what's true or not. You have to look at the evidence which is what these papers are about.yuekit
- Why not agree to keep searching?grafician
- Oh yeah no one's saying stop searching or investigating the lab for that matter. This is just the current state of what they know.yuekit
- Whether this virus did or didn’t come from a lab, we ought to be having a conversation about the sorts of experiments that are taking place in labsmonNom
- Ie infection of humanized transgenic mice to evolve viruses. Serial passage to improve transmissibility. Gene manipulation of viruses...monNom
- Poor hygiene and safety leading to researchers getting sick. Selling of test animals into secondary markets for animal food/people food/pets.monNom
- You put that all together and you are basically guaranteed to get an outbreak at some point.monNom
- The fact that people were censored for saying it came from the lab not so long ago is very suspicious.Chimp
- You would hope that labs would pay more attention to safety just because of this controversyyuekit
- If people are interested in this you can hear the scientists explaining their conclusions here
https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- Elwin743
- Worse than cutting separate twins in half and stitching them back together to see if they would survive?PhanLo
- Forcing people to take a vaccine without informing them of the side effects and with unknown longterm side effects was clearly against the Nuremberg Code.Chimp
- How can you force someone to take a drug that might kill them?Chimp
- Sadly I know two people who took the vaccine thinking it was safe and are now dead.Chimp
- How did they die?PhanLo
- Heart attack and stroke a few days after taking the vaccine. My girlfriend’s workmate was found on the kitchen floor by his girlfriend. Both young and healthy.Chimp
- Grim. Did they get any compensation?PhanLo
- I haven't asked them as it's sore subject.Chimp
- neverscared0
Austrian doctors speak out after suicide of GP following Covid threats
Lisa-Maria Kellermayr was targeted by conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers before taking her own lifeAustrian medical representatives have called for greater protection for doctors after a GP who faced months of violent threats from anti-vaccination activists and pandemic conspiracy theorists took her own life.
Lisa-Maria Kellermayr was found dead in her practice in the lakeside resort of Seewalchen am Attersee on Friday. Prosecutors told the media they found three suicide notes and were not planning to carry out an autopsy.
- i read some of the anti-vax terror messages... slaughtering and bloodshed , its all in there...neverscared
- whatthefunk1
- not to worry, covid-19 wasn't that destructive. Only the heavy measures the governments took...!Elwin74
- yuekit-2
- This is some very long tail content but in case anyone thinks it hasn't been seriously investigated, these are the scientists behind the recent papersyuekit
- explaining why they reached the conclusion they did on a two and a half hour podcastyuekit
- I think anyone who works in a technical field which describes most of us would recognize people coming in from outside can easily get things wrongyuekit
- lol @ downvotes before people even watched the video. If nothing else it's a good summary of where the evidence stands right now.yuekit
- agreedmonospaced
- neverscared2
There’s really no explanation other than that the virus started spreading in the human population at that market
Did Sars-CoV-2 emerge from a Huanan market stall or a lab? For the American virologist, who has been abused online for defending a ‘natural’ origin, the evidence is clear
- PhanLo2
China need to give up, what are they playing at.
'Desperate IKEA shoppers fight their way out of Shanghai store as security guards try to lock them inside after ONE customer came into contact with a Covid patient'
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- Shithole country?nb
- Just seems silly now, surely it’s being dealt with now via vaccines and treatment?PhanLo
- Actually not. They still believe in covid-free policy and they ruined their economy over it. It will cost Xi his "presidency" soon.grafician
- AFAIK they don't have (good) vaccines, this is why they go into lockdowns right away when they get even a new casegrafician
- Zero regards for individual rights, doing everything to save face for the Party...grafician
- It’s weird that you basically need to go to china and travel around if you want to know what’s going on therenb
- Same with N Korea, Russia...grafician
- ..and our own shithole Western countries too.zardoz
- Meanwhile, in other news...
https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash
- yuekit1
This is interesting IMO...because there's such an extensive record of SARS-CoV-2 evolution (everywhere it spreads scientists are collecting the genomes), turns out it's possible to create a computer model that accurately simulates its evolution within this type of research called bioinformatics.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/training/o…
And this can also be run backwards to figure out what the ancestral strains of the virus looked liked. From this you can actually start to see what is more likely for the origin.
When spillover from animals to humans takes place it almost always includes multiple spillover events and that's what seems to have happened. There are two slightly different versions of the virus right in the beginning, which could not have evolved from each other. And there wasn't much circulation among humans before that, based on genetic clock the virus emerged shortly before it was detected.
- PhanLo1
China now swabbing fish
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- Just put those fish in lockdownYakuZoku
- Did a bat fuck a fish or someone cough on the fish and threw it back?BabySnakes
- Still quite mad that 960 people died of covid in America yesterday at a weekly average of 450 per day.PhanLo
- @BabySnek it's in the water.sted
- PioneerDJ can explain thistoemaas
- grafician-2
*Biden Administration Expects Months of Talks to End Federal Coverage for Covid-19 Shots, Treatments -- WSJ
*Market for Covid-19 Shots, Treatments Represents Billions of Dollars in Potential Profit for Drug Makers -- WSJ
