Russia-Ukraine Invasion
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- NBQ000
Wagner forces downed a Russian aircraft over Voronezh Oblast
- sted1
- Continuity1
What an astonishing turn of events.
I woke up yesterday, and Russian was still battering Ukraine, and the counter-offiensive wasn't producing very many results.
I go to bed that night, and there's armed — VERY armed — insurrection inside Russia.
Thoroughly entertaining stuff.
- It'll be interesting to see if Prigozhin pulls forces from elsewhere Wagner is active (i.e. Africa) for reinforcements in RU.Continuity
- WeeeeeeeeeNBQ00
- Continuity1
@_niko, re: Ramzan Kadyrov
Here's our answer (from The Guardian):
- Thought so, all bark no bite, let’s see if he actually does anything, I highly doubt it._niko
- neverscared1
If he can't seize the Kremlin with his dwindling 25K, he might be able to seize and hold some Liberated Prigozhinstan, cut Russian supply lines and see to it that the Ukraine War goes badly
If the Army flees Ukraine in disorder then a Russian civil war might be plausible
- NBQ000
The Kremlin tried to negotiate with Prigozhin in the first hours of his armed uprising - "Important Stories"
The publication "Important Stories," citing a source close to the presidential administration, reports that at the very beginning of Yevgeny Prigozhin's demarche, the Kremlin tried to negotiate with him. In particular, he was offered to "back off," and all of his published messages could be explained by hacking of his account and voice falsification.
According to the source, Prigozhin refused to accept the terms offered to him by the presidential administration, after which Vladimir Putin
ordered to initiate a criminal case against him and "deal with it the hard way".The publication "Important Stories" notes that some Telegram channels - in particular, the "Talking Topaz" channel - even began to spread the presidential administration's version of the fake voice. It was reposted by the Rybar channel, which is close to the Defense Ministry (over a million subscribers).
- drgs0
Military coup brewing in Belarus as well now
"The founder of the Belarusian assault company in the AFU, Sakhashchik, addressed the Belarusian military: “Either we use this historical chance, or we lose everything.""
Lukashenka plane left Belarus and landed in Turkey
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/s…The world is healing. I think we all will be surprised at what speed and with what ease this fortress made of shit and bricks will fall apart
- My bet is IF it all falls apart, it's going to be a painfully drawn out process. We'll have the head of Wagner to contend with, if not Putin.Continuity
- for the healing part ...will c how much they take down in their madness on their way out ....neverscared
- Continuity0
Hope Nato's got containment strategy in place, because whether Prigozhin wins or loses this, Russia is about to become even more unpleasant to deal with.
- Agreed. If this coup is real, regional and global stability just became way more complicated.IRNlun6
- Yup. Especially when you consider Progozhin is absolutely not a pacifist. He's got chips on his shoulder, that one.Continuity
- Internally for Russia for sure, externally I think we won't notice muchdrgs
- even more as in ?neverscared
- they are already isolated internationaly .. how much worse can it get.. all the shit western compannies who are still in should have fucked off long ago...neverscared
- Perhaps in the west but they are certainly not isolated internationally. India and China have flat out refused to embargo oil shipments from Russia.IRNlun6
- How much worse can it get? Consider Libya at a 100x scale with thousands of nuclear war heads. It could get considerably worse.IRNlun6
- How much worse? You've got Putin doubtless starting to feel like a cornered animal. And then you've got Prigozhin, who is just fucking nuts.Continuity
- And decidedly more trigger-happy than his former boss.
Yeah. It could possibly get much, much worse.Continuity
- drgs1
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/s…
Incoming reports that Prigozhin was lying for 2 months about the Wagner Group’s ammunition shortages.Instead, he was stockpiling for this moment and also gathered large quantities of MANPADS and Javelins captured from the Ukrainian Army.
- yuekit1
Got to love how the propaganda never misses a beat...”Oh yeah and that guy we hired to defend us from the Nazis, he’s attacking us now too.”
- Doing his jobdrgs
- When somebody challenges you, fight back. Be brutal, be tough.
Donald Trumpneverscared
- sted1
The road to Mockba depends on the loyalty of the armed forces, primarily the Russian National Guard, the army, the secret services and the police. So far, it doesn't appear that any of them willing to turn and accept a takeover by khm putlers mercenaries.
- neverscared0
get this wagner recruiting poster down ...hurry hurry.. .they are coming
- neverscared1
The Prigozhin Coup seems pretty damn well organized
OK we are about 12 hours into what is clearly an attempt by Yevgeny Prigozhin to topple the leadership of the Russian military (and very possibly the Russian government). This all started with an announcement by Prigozhin yesterday that the Russian army had launched a missile attack on a Wagner base—and it has snowballed exponentially since then. You can actually hear some of Prigozhin’s announcement here.
At first this attempt by Prigozhin seemed almost impulsive and bound to fail (and it still might—and probably should if the Russian army stays loyal to Putin). However, what does seem to be the case now is that this is a well-planned operation that has been a while in the making and has a greater chance of success that certainly I would have thought yesterday. If you look at the timing, the placement of Russian forces, the areas that Prigozhin has seized, and the fact that Putin was clearly caught of guard, you can see this. If you dont mind, I thought I would talk a little bit about why I think it is well organized and could succeed
- all that lack of ammo talk was highly likely just gathering ammo it seems...neverscared
- drgs1
"Never Trust A Mercenary" achievement unlocked
- sted1
- randomly blocking an intersection in St petersburg
https://i.imgur.com/…sted - https://i.imgur.com/…sted
- randomly blocking an intersection in St petersburg
- Continuity1
This could throw a spanner in Prigozhin's works, though. From The Guardian live feed:
'It has been claimed in unconfirmed Russian media reports that the cash found at Yevgeny Prigozhin’s St Petersburg office totalled 4bn roubles (£37m).
Reuters reports that Prigozhin said the money – found in cardboard boxes in vehicles near his office by the FSB security service – was to cover salaries and other expenses for his Wagner fighters.'
I can imagine his boys not being to happy at not getting paid. But I'll assume he's got more cash elsewhere.
- *too happyContinuity
- If the coup is successful, they are getting paid for suredrgs
- Prigozhin still insists it's not a coup, if you can believe it.Continuity
- If the <insert Prigo's definition> is successful, they are getting paid for suredrgs
- Continuity1
So, Wagner are now crossing, err ... *checks notes* ... Lipetsk province, which is pretty much half way between the Ukrainian border and Moscow.
That was fucking fast.
What I'm not at all clear on is if whatever remains of the Russian military inside Russia, the FSB, and the police are trying to do anything to stop them. Because, from where I sit, it looks like none of these organisations is lifting a finger, and are letting Wagner blitz their way to the capital.
- drgs3
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/s…
There’s more and more theories pointing toward Prigozhin only being the face of a larger coup, which is supported by parts of the Army and the intelligence services.
The goal is to remove Putin, withdraw from Ukraine and return to making business with the world.
- what took them so long?zaq
- Would be great long term for the Russian people, right now it’s only for the benefit of the tzar and his cronies. But it could be worse under Prigozhin_niko
- Putin is done 100%drgs
- I assume that Prigozhin is only acting like a rebel in this spectacledrgs
- And all his telegram posts in which he dissed Putin+Shoigu were carefully planned foreplaydrgs
- I want to believe.
But I don't. Not yet.Continuity - Wagner have no air support or assets. Wagner are supplied by Russia. How are they going to do this?shapesalad
- Air support in the center of Moscow? They are practically already theredrgs
- They knew it already 4 months ago:
https://www.qbn.com/…drgs - Thank you CIAApeRobot
