Russia-Ukraine Invasion
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- PonyBoy4
It is confusing why Putin would blow up his own cash line...
Here's a bit of conspiracy theory brought to you by Forbes:
U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mic…
President Joe Biden promised on February 7 to prevent Nord Stream 2 from becoming operational if Russia invaded Ukraine. "If Russia invades,” said Biden, “then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
- doubt it. Biden has galvanized NATO and Biden wouldn't risk the backlash.hotroddy
- Actually Poland would have to gain from this, they have another pipeline open from Norway.grafician
- Here: https://twitter.com/…grafician
- nord stream 2 was never operational so there was no need to blow it uphotroddy
- There isn't really any mystery here. Putin invaded Ukraine and Germany cancelled Nordstream 2 immediately, no doubt after pressure from Biden.yuekit
- The 'mystery' is who blew it up the pipelines. If "there isn't really any mystery here" then who blew up NS 1 and 2, kitster?PonyBoy
- *blew upPonyBoy
- I mean regarding Biden's statement that you quoted and that everyone is taking out of context.yuekit
- Biden said would stop Nord Stream 2 and he did. That already happened, it didn't require blowing anything up.yuekit
- Who blew it up though?PonyBoy
- I wouldn't rule out Russia so quicklyyuekit
- garbage2
Counterpoint Wild Speculation:
NS2 has never delivered any gas because one of the first sanctions that Germany deployed was denial of certification of the line.
There have been enough rumors of higher ups becoming increasingly annoyed with his sabre-rattling, and oligarchs have been dropping like flies.
What if Putin and his loyalists did it to gut a valuable asset that an usurper could bring to the bargaining table with the West?
- pablo281
- "pablo" I'm guessing you don't live in Russia. If things actually do escalate to the level of all-out war, do you feel safe?yuekit
- Remember Europe will almost certainly be the first target.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - Does bootlicking for Putin extend to also being nuked by him? I'm curious how far your obedience actually goes :)yuekit
- No, I don't feel safe, that's why I say: F u Biden! F u Zelenskyy! F u Putin! F u NATO! ...and the rest that fuel this war.pablo28
- How would Biden and Zelenskyy have prevented a war?yuekit
- https://www.reuters.…yuekit
- And the stupid Nazi propaganda you keep posting is what helped Russia justify the war.yuekit
- Could be very close to home BTW if you're really in Romania
https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- yuekit-1
Is it time to reevaluate the Edward Snowjob incident?
Like a lot of people I was sympathetic to this tech libertarian movement of Snowden and Wikileaks in the beginning. But what most people ignored at the time is that Snowden didn't just reveal the NSA surveillance program, which IMO was good to bring to light.
Instead he took an estimated 1.5 million classified docs, including military secrets he claimed were needed to corroborate existence of this program. Most of them were not from the NSA at all.
Snowden went to Hong Kong, where he loudly announced his actions and his possession of these documents. He stayed with an unnamed family in Hong Kong who reportedly sheltered him, then flew to Russia on a commercial flight. He claims he didn't bring the docs to Russia but instead handed all of them over to...Glenn Greenwald, and in retrospect you have to ask if that's better or worse.
Even if Snowden was totally sincere in his actions, clearly this was incredibly irresponsible. He was just a tech guy at the NSA, he doesn't know all the capabilities foreign intelligence services have.
Following the Snowden incident is when everything started to go wrong in the world -- Trump's election, a further massive hack where someone was found to have infiltrated highest levels of the US government in late 2020.
But what's most disturbing is Russia announcing the granting of citizenship to Snowden now, ahead of this fraudulent attempted annexation of Ukrainian territory. They are clearly sending a message, whether it's a bluff or not. Meanwhile Snowden says nothing, either about this not so veiled nuclear threat or the war in Ukraine. Seems he's not the principled whistleblower in all situations.
- Right now people are having fun mocking Snowden on Twitter... you're going to get conscripted etc, but the true consequences of his actions could be much worse.yuekit
- IIRC he was in transit to Ecuador (?) when his US passport was revoked, stranding him in Russia. He's been stuck there ever since.monNom
- Stellarwind hack was almost certainly a byproduct of the close integration of state, intelligence, and industry which is the very thing Snowden was warning of.monNom
- In summary, this theory is a bit silly.monNom
- I didn't say Stellar Wind hack was definitely a product of other countries gaining this info. But how do you explain walking off with 1.5 million documents?yuekit
- If he wanted to call attention to NSA surveillance, he could have done what every other whistleblower did and just leaked it to the press.yuekit
- Instead he decided to go to China with those docs, seems incredibly naive to think intel services wouldn't all be going after this 30 year old NSA employee.yuekit
- Who was carrying all these military and intel secrets on a USB thumb drive. At the time I was more sympathetic to Snowden but it's pretty indefensible isn't it?yuekit
- Also in terms of revoking his passport, they did while he was in Hong Kong hoping to strand him there. China let him board the plane anyway.yuekit
- Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras were the press. It was the Guardian and Washington Post he was leaking to. They won a Pulitzer prize.monNom
- lol, yeah he claims he gave all the docs to this guy... that's what I was getting at.
https://i.imgur.com/…yuekit - What's the latest shit we can throw at Snowdon? Something to do with Russia as everyone hates them now, great, that will do, the idiots will believe anything.Chimp
- Why are they highlighting this now and not before?Chimp
- Who's they? Russia just granted him citizenship, that's why people are discussing it.yuekit
- yuekit-2
Russia's former president says nuclear threats are not a bluff and that NATO won't step in if Russia nukes Ukraine
https://www.businessinsider.com/…
"The Western establishment and all citizens of NATO countries in general need to understand that Russia has chosen its own path,...our country also has various means of destruction, and for some components more modern than those of the NATO countries."
Putin in another speech adds... "This is not a bluff. And those who try to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the weathervane can turn and point towards them."
- keep barking ya cunt.NBQ00
- If Ukraine wins the war we all lose. If Russia wins we all lose. Some scary times we live in, the world is fucked on so many levels, sad very sad.utopian
- If they use nukes, India and China will turn against them and they are completely alone.inv
- Inv. I see it that way too. If they use nukes they will have no one on their side.microkorg
- yuekit-2
monNom, this might it more clear... there must have been a way to blow the whistle on the NSA surveillance program without all this falling into the hands of Putin and others.
- Basically what this guy said back in 2017...
https://medium.com/a…yuekit - I love how no one here can actually make a decent counterargument... just nooo leave Snowden alone ;)yuekit
- Basically what this guy said back in 2017...
- yuekit-2
And remember, how a nuclear war plays out (what Russia is now openly threatening) has a lot to do with who knows what.
They announce Snowden's Russian citizenship a few days before the annexation of Ukrainian territory, is it a coincidence? Maybe...
But I think Snowden's refusal to speak out while other Russian citizens are risking their lives to protest is damning enough.
- Never mind the fact that Snowden is privvy to untold numbers of US state secrets, probably. To call him a Russian asset now wouldn't be much of a stretch.Continuity
- Ok I'm le tired- Fire ze missles.NBQ00
- So long and thanks for all ze fishqoob
- Wonder if QBN will still exist in the aftermath? Be good to get some last minute bants as our hair, fingernails and teeth fall out.PhanLo
- wrong thread @yuekit.
pls.sted - What do you mean, of course it has to do with the war. USA has actually said that even if Russia uses a nuke they won't respond with nuclear weaponsyuekit
- Probably an overwhelming conventional military response instead. So the nightmare scenario in this video might not come true. But Putin keeps threatening it.yuekit
- rassa does that since day 1. and have to keep the discussion on the table.sted
- Right now they're saying that if Ukraine attacks the annexed territories they may escalate to nuclear war. And annexation could happen as soon as this weekend.yuekit
- Chances are it's nonsense but seems foolish to just ignore it completely or how gaining access to US military secrets may have influenced their thinking.yuekit
- NBQ002
Pro-Russian Vostok battalion commander Aleksandr Khodakovsky tells about the dire situation with mobiks who do crazy stuff like driving into enemy positions and placing ammo in the open; blames generals for not establishing proper teamwork.
https://twitter.com/wartranslate…
Looks like the mobilized conscripts will become a liability. So many drunk too.
- If I were drafted, and saw no route out - sure as hell would drink 10 bottles of vodka a day....shapesalad
- NBQ0016
- Has he been drafted yet?utopian
- How do we know this pipeline didn’t just break?Ianbolton
- 'cos two pipes broke, in three different places, in modes that don't tally with 'natural' failures, on the day the Nor-Pol pipeline was inauguratedNairn
- This is good, if a bit dense.. https://twitter.com/…Nairn
- Cheers Nairn. All i've seen was a who's dunnit, so I'm naive to it allIanbolton
- this is bullshit! common guys, do you really believe Ali G did it?!oey_oey
- love how the US will send the army to fight nonviolent protesters against pipelines here, and then do this overseas lolcolin_s
- lights match.. walks awayautoflavour
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- @colin_s
They's using the army in both cases, that's consistent. The difference is who they's against.palimpsest
- drgs2
Turns out Russian defence minister Shoigu did not serve in the army. He studied civil engineering which had a military department intended at training commissioned officers, I dont know the details but somehow this gave him a military rank without serving.
Putin did not serve in the army. He had espionage training in the KGB and had a career there, which counts as alternative service.
Medvedev did not serve and neither did the minister of foreign affairs Lavrov.
Keep in mind that Soviet Union had enforced conscription and its still the case in Russia, so it was not voluntary. Somehow each of them found a way not to get enlisted.
Discuss
- Do as I say not what I do_niko
- Revolution material.shapesalad
- The Eliteinv
- grafician3
- he was trying to tighten a bolt, but his shaky hand went crazy and he punctured the pipe?shapesalad
- Got that "drgs" lookNBQ00
- "So long suckas"yuekit
- I always carry a good roll of paper with me.Miesfan
- normally he is half naked in his pr-stunts...neverscared
- He's naked from the shirt downPhanLo
- hehehe.. seeing that pic would be a terrific weapon and blind every ukranian soldier ...would win him the war...neverscared
- yuekit1
"If I’m being honest, they’re all going to die there. They'll be mutilated and killed. This isn’t a trained army! I, for example, served [as a contract soldier] for a long time, then chose to go [to the front in Ukraine] myself — and I still found myself unprepared. The very first day, I realized I had made the biggest mistake of my life.
When I decided to go to Ukraine, I was a staunch patriot. I believed there were Nazi formations of some kind there, like the Right Sector, the Aidar [Battalion], the Azov [Battalion]. Plus I’d watched a bunch of [Russian] films like Soltsepyok and Opolchenochka. Plus, all of the Telegram and TV channels were designed to pump [that stuff into] our brains.
But even while we were still being driven across the border in the Ural [truck], I realized that we were the occupiers, we were the fascists. I [...] was sitting in the truck bed, watching the scenes going by. What we were leaving behind. All of those destroyed villages in Kharkiv. I realized we were actually destroying a country. Along with its civilian population.
You’d go through a village and children would run out onto the road and gesture after you: either “smoke” or “eat.” I just couldn’t wrap my head around it. The world was upside down; I felt empty inside. You realize all of your life so far was fiction. A soap bubble."
- Continuity0
'European security officials observed Russian Navy ships in vicinity of Nord Stream pipeline leaks'
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/…
'It’s unclear whether the ships had anything to do with those explosions, these sources and others said – but it’s one of the many factors that investigators will be looking into.
Russian submarines were also observed not far from those areas last week, one of the intelligence officials said.'
- Why would Russia blow them up when they can just turn them off?Chimp
- Because Putin's gone stone bugfuck, and doesn't have any grasp on reality or proportion anymore?Continuity
- Apparently the insurance set up on the pipes means that any payment for damage needs to go to Russia. *shrug*Nairn
- Also, plausible deniability.Nairn
- That said, the two countries with perhaps the best capability for clandestine submarine fucking around are the US and the UK... .Nairn
- I just can't imagine the US and/or the UK taking the risk. That could reasonably seen as an act of war.Continuity
- No, I think it's defo a Rusky job to further add pain to the EU's energy woes.Continuity
- Again, plausible deniability. The US/UK capability would mean there'd be no way to prove things either way.Nairn
- It will also drive up the price which benefits Russia. And send the signal that any underwater infrastructure can be targeted.yuekit
- NBQ001
Russia orders urgent purchase of large batch of iodine amid Putin's nuclear threats
- Continuity0
Hm. That mobilisation is going well.
- haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaa haha hahaha haaaNairn
- So more or less all those that would've been drafted fled already? LOLgrafician
- PUTIN: ALL MISTAKES MADE DURING PARTIAL MILITARY MOBILISATION SHOULD BE CORRECTED - RIAgrafician
- Imagine if these 200k had some guts and marched to Moscow...inv
- Or even just said no and went to jail...inv
- Many men who fled are now actively trying to get their families out too. Russia will lose a few million people by the end of the yeargrafician
- @inv Yeah. Ruskies seem to be spineless goons.Continuity
- @inv, then get arrested, then get sent to the front anyway. I'm not sure how brave I'd be in that situation.Nairn
- If they get sent to the front, those big, burly, brave Russian men will simply run away from the Ukrainians, like their compatriots have already done.Continuity
- And these are almost certainly the smart Russians. Maybe second tier since the most intelligent would have already fled the country months ago.yuekit
- I read somewhere there aren't actually that many 20 or 30 something young men in Russia, due to the aging demographics. Several million maybe.yuekit
- So losing 200,000 in one week, a larger number over time, is pretty terrible. Not to mention the number that will be killed or disabled in Ukraine.yuekit
- they have more nukes than soldiers...neverscared
- losing 200k is nothing to a country with millions more available bodieshans_glib
- i doubt that ... words spreads fast.. and cannonfooder vibes are one of the worst things that can happen to any military...neverscared
- NBQ003
Reportedly, Ukrainian Army encircled 5,500 Russian troops near Lyman, including notorious 752nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment which was nearly annihilated in Grozny Chechnya on the new year eve 1995.
https://twitter.com/TarasBerezov…
- shapesalad1
For those that aren't following the details of the daily meat grinder that is the Russian army - thing's that are going on over there at the hands of Russians: Civilians taken and mindlessly murdered, 100s of them, as they don't take prisoners - or worse for those that they leave alive - ears cut off, tongues cut off, fingers cut off and rapes. Homes destroyed if the locals don't give food. etc etc.. just an absolute horror show.
- They also eat babies alive !
Just as Iraqis did in Kuweit !gonzalle - Don't get him started on those arabs!palimpsest
- Yup https://tinyurl.com/…NBQ00
- Thanks gonzalle. Don't be too mean to the Russian military, on the same day they're threatening to nuke you.yuekit
- They also eat babies alive !
