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question:
do you have the audacity to provide marketing input with none in your scholarly nor work career? just based on your intuition and the size of your morning coffee, would you try and sell your stance as the one that would make the client crazy money?- Being an arrogant and pretentious cunt encompass that aspect, so the answer is yes.Fariska
- have confidence. yes.ian
- but what if your ideas are false? or not well grounded enough?_salisae_
- Seriously: yes. Not exactly in those terms but yes.Fariska
- it takes time for folly to be obvious********
- Making things work is the duty of the design team. Not of the marketing one.Fariska
- and longer still for litigation********
- If you've done your research then that'll feed into the design solution, so you should be confident that it'll work for your client.ian
- ... clients.ian
- rivers of ink, mountains of paper********
- do you feel this audacity causes tension with your clients?_salisae_
- It's exactly like educating a dog. First thing you have to make clear is who is in charge.Fariska
- i'm just asking because i haven't considered this before. i always just assumed i knew better than my client._salisae_
- Yo do, but usually they are convinced of the opposite. This is where audacity helps.Fariska
- I find saying there are many solutions, mine is one. Complete, considered, coherent. You get what you see.********
- see.
If you don't like it that's fine I made it for your custom, not you.******** - yes, but we recently got fired for having an "attitude"********
- sorry to hear that. Some clients want servility and believe bootlicking is an art. They don't deserve you.********
- I knew a guy who got a kick out of putting quarters in urinals to see if anyone would pick it out.********
- He never understood he demeaned himself.********
- ian0
I heard kelpie actually played the part of arnold schwarzenegger's chin in Terminator 2. The scar came from a napalm which arnold used to light his cigars. Kelpie, annoyed at what he described as 'a blatant abuse of power', killed arnold with a badger that had wandered on set from a nearby nature reserve. Filming had to go on without arnold, hence the use of ground breaking effects while kelpie was charged with his murder and that of the badger.
Work began on a prototype anamatronic arnold to complete the rest of his contract to the studio (which also explains why his later films were shite). Kelpie both designed and programmed this new robot and thus beat his prison sentence.
He lives and works in Scotland now, while still providing the voice for the animated series 'Ben 10', his favourite colur is blue and his favourite meal is fermented shark.
- 7point340
heard it was an armadillo, not a badger
- ********0
Hammering military splendor,
top-heavy Goliath in full armor -
little redemption in the mass
liquidations of their brass,
elephant and phalanx moving
with the times and still improving,
when that kingdom hit the crash:
a million foreskins stacked like trash.- Before long, however, his third marriage faltered, and his spiral of mania and depression, along with a pattern of excessive drinking, started taking a physical toll. In 1977 Lowell died in the backseat of a New York taxicab on his way from the airport to his second wife's apartment.********
- drinking, started taking a physical toll. In 1977 Lowell died in the backseat of a New York taxicab on his way from the airport to his second wife's apartment.********
- sounds familiar********
- Before long, however, his third marriage faltered, and his spiral of mania and depression, along with a pattern of excessive drinking, started taking a physical toll. In 1977 Lowell died in the backseat of a New York taxicab on his way from the airport to his second wife's apartment.
- canuck0
b(l)og off.
- kelpie0
can you justify your intuition sal, and is it based on seeing the thing from a consumer point of view? if yes, then you're justified, but if you've not researched it your assumptions might be proven wrong. Not always time to research these thing though, so it takes a brass neck.
Marketing frequently has zero insight beyond reading lists of quantitative statistics, all of which are queered by the environment they're gathered in. If you're smart, you are probably right.
- and remember, I killed arnie with a badgerkelpie
- listen to the scarred man.Fariska
- I studied advertising for a couple of years so I have something to draw from but I just wonder what is common._salisae_
- also, if you say you are drawing your conclusions from a consumer point of view then anyone can claim that role._salisae_
- locustsloth0
Bottled labias just sounds gross
- kelpie0
ps sal:
"with none in your scholarly nor work career?"
I reckon if you've lived in our society you're perfectly qualified to comment on marketing, its not a magic circle, even if those in fear of having their jobs removed when money is tight would like everyone else to believe so...
- wingman********
- Don't listen to him. You can't trust a man with a hairy gash Salisae.Horp
- wingman
- ********0
we've had audacity with some of our clients and gotten fired for having an "atttitude"
- Me too.Horp
- why would a conversation about common goals ever end up like that?kelpie
- because they just wanted us to do what they said********
- we don't have many clients who respect or value what we do********
- but that doesn't mean you can't have the conversation does it?kelpie
- btw, I have also had ridiculous horrid clients and lost em tookelpie
- we had the conversations and eventually got fired********
- fuck em thenkelpie
- WOPR0
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WAS IT A BAD THING - LOSING THOSE CLIENTS?
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- <this shtick is getting oldkelpie
- (not yours rand)kelpie
- relax, kelpie... it's me... it's my old pc - if i roll over to it to do something - it's called 'wopr' now...PonyBoy
- ... i swear some of you guys get butthurt over the weirdest stuff - we're in a thread called 'blog' on the internet...PonyBoy
- ... but a user named 'wopr' w/under a hundred posts gets you butthurt.PonyBoy
- WOPR is ponyboy?********
- ok ok ok ok I forgive you, I was just sayin's all..kelpie
- apparently, yesJaline
- ponyboy likes to be 'unique' but unfortunately he doesn't alter his uniqueness very often._salisae_
- income went down, but so did aggravation
- Horp0
For me, losing clients who were not going to conduct themselves with honour or integrity has never been soemthing I consider a loss. Whilst they represent a lost revenue stream, and potentially could be vindictive in bad-mouthing me to other potential clients, I consider that I have saved myself from the considerable stress and angst of having to try and salvage something akin to payment from the ongoing tangle of subterfuge and deceit that they would spin if I was providing them with a service.
- I agree, up until the point where I'm not earning a living********
- Yes, same here Rand. I try very hard to stay the course but once I've been pushed too far that bridge gets burned.Horp
- I agree, up until the point where I'm not earning a living
- PonyBoy0
Hi... I'm Pony... and I'm also wopr...
... i'm once again sorry for upsetting the flow of this incredibly secret sophisticated internet forum... thread.
:)
- Horp0
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THIS SHIT IS GETTING OLD
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- Horp0
- we'll not be able to gauge if the poster tells the truth unless she lifts it about 6 inches7point34
- hot********
- timeline********
- "I hired a dancer to model my posters"Horp
- You can't timeline a post Digz, only a thread. Thems are the rules, I don't make them up.Horp
- those ankles don't know 3rd position********
- < Except on that occassion when I made that one up just now.Horp
- I don't like any of the messages in the poster, but I do like the colours.Jaline
- STOP LIKING THE COLOURS JALINE.
= )Horp - http://www.pabloalfi…********
- It's also my obsession with astronomy.Jaline
- The woman is in a strange position, as some of you have noted. It almost brings your attention to her.Jaline
- stepped in what?********
- i don't like it for its color or anything._salisae_