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- puter0
tny is who is right here...
I too was into it for the message and the unity- hell it's the most consitant thing I ever did in my life. I got into punk at age 14- I am now 31 and still involved in the scene more or less (know most of the bands, do promotions, design work...etc.)
Today's hardcore isn't really any different- sure the bands mentioned that you call "shitty metal" are not underground sprending unity in someone's basement- but that is happening somewhere... and even with how commerically excepted HC has become- the fact above all is that it IS about being young and playing fast and friends... we might think we had it better (and we did) but this is their shit so let them have it. I saw some stupid kid at the mall once just as moved by Korn as I was when I heard Gorillia Biscuits. Sure Korn fuckin blows to me- but not to him- it inspired him and his friends- it made them one and different at the same time- I say let them have that feeling...
"No matter what you think or do or say...
Everything turns grey."-Agent Orange
- puter0
true that- it was alot better when it was wanna be metal.
I bet the hippies think that bell bottoms where alot better before the started selling them at JC Penny's...
Every scene eats itself- that's how change happens, how things progress, commerically it all sounds the same- but there are still a ton of great underground doing there thing and they always will be.
- usrper0
yea, i guess thats true as well to the dillinger escape plan crowd
- tny0
word puter, we had alot of fun back in the day...and the best thing was being able to meet and become freinds with the guys in the bands you looked up to...good times.
- puter0
totally-
I still can't believe that a carload of us would drive 6 hours to see some band play at a small club with 50 people there just to rock to them-
I meet (and still know) people from all over the world because of this three chord heaven. My heros were never superman, or some movie star- I got to chill with my hero's and I am actually very proud of that.
- fake_it_up0
i agree but i dont want these new bands be be labeld as hardcore.. korn sucks...cool kids like them they get inspired dont call them hardcore tho...its about the message... dont the rifts drums dancing what ever its the message you caan see it from youth of today to gb to shelter all sound diffrent but all have the same message... thats what i think is the dividing line in todays metal hardcore scremo the message.... hardcore is hardcore scremo is scremo and metal is metal... some mite sound the same but the lyrics and the message is totally diffrent...
also i wrote in another post befor about chain of strength if anyone is intrested they have a new band called "stand and fight" which is fucking amazing good old sxe HC....
- tny0
cheers man
- fake_it_up0
puter i totally agree with you i was and still the same way going out of state to shows and being frinds with people in bands its more of like a BIG FAMILY reunion every weeknd and u see people u havnt in a wile or people u saw the week befor... all of my life long close friends i met through hardcore and shows....
- lilbabyarm0
hardcore is still alive and it's still being played by live bands somewhere in some local kid's garage just like back in the day... I used to go see the best bands at some local youth center (strife chain of strength outspoken etc.) or highschool gymnasium where the shows were either free or less than 5 dollars. That's what hardcore is about. Not being commercial.
Shit do you realize that when Rage Against the Machine was at the height of popularity, Zach still played Inside Out shows? They played at a storage container in San Fernando with some local hardcore acts for free no less. He could have easily shined on the hardcore scene at the time. Those were the days... The Macondo Club... Cell 63. Most People have never heard of these spots but I tell you they were alive with hardcore kids and the message was unity and diy and all that good stuff and not tyring to profit off of every last ounce of material.
That's why Fugazi is STILL hardcore to this day. and that's why when Bad Religion sold out they lost their strong hardcore fanbase (and Guerewitz). where are they now? They make a lot of money but they get no respect in mine and thousands of other hardocre fan's books.
Eventually The raw hardcore sound was stolen by all the commercial newmetal bands and the message was switched up to some commercialized bullshit. But I think that's what ushered in the clean metal sound of the 90's hardcore acts like Snapcase and Earth Crisis and Eyelid....
- puter0
I agree fake- but the lines were crossed once Nirvana and Green Day broke- they opened the doors for this commerical gate...
True- it is not true hardcore as we know it- but you know what- that is a good thing- it belongs back underground, and metal and screamo MtV bands help separate it- it's almost sad to see them so confused but it will never be the same at any level to us because it's not "our time' anymore-
All turns into a fashion show cause in the end it's only rock-n-roll ... SxE was just as much a fashion show as any metal band is- and although there was a lot of great sincere bands back then there were just as many doing it because it was the thing to do. If you take what you felt and run with it- don't worry about these bands.
- fake_it_up0
puter i totally agree i know there not HC and there are alot of bands and i have alot of friends in real HC bands still doing it.. i just dont want these new kids to think its hard core... these kids need a HC education... start with minor threat and end will earth crisis .. hahah oh man been listing to GB all day now back to this flash... later guys...
- puter0
yeah there should be Hardcore 101 you need to take...
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- devaur0
sorry your right my list was not hardcore.
I prefer my guitar solos and what not.
Im an Ozzfest junkie. Been to three of them. Like some of the bands. But when it all comes down to it I just love metal.
- devaur0
thanks puter!! :o)
- adamfinger0
Hardcore is about the message above anything else, but derivitive bands singing about derivitive topics (ie, unity, being stabbed in the back, friendship, convictions, etc) is incredibly boring. 88 youth-crew stuff was garbage (with the exception of a few bands). Clownish positive lyrics. I can do without them. But if it's in comparison to the shit that gets passed for hardcore in the malls these days, I'll take it.
The early stuff was the best. Bad Brains, AF, Black Flag, etc. But YOT and Bold, as far as I'm concerned were pretty aweful.
- puter0
yeah the message did get old in a way- it really depends..
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See I can dig Youth of Today, Gang OF Four, Verbal Assult, Samiam, Prong, Megadeth, Agnostic Front, Lifetime, SDRE,
The Strokes, King Crimson, Miles Davis, and Rilo Kiley all in the same breathe.I love music. I think it all is a fashion show in the end no maatter what you claim to be- and I am find with that now. If it's good- I dig it-
with Hardcore it's more of a youthful love- but I dont care-
even then if I was listening to Youth of Today that crowd would yap about me going to an Exploited show, if I was listening to Samiam I wasn't suppose to dig Integedy...whatever- I say rock on fellas
yes devour- metal rules!!
- blurden0
earlyman rules.
- lilbabyarm0
I'm in the same boat myself... I used to love AC/DC Led Zep Art of Noise Slayer Metallica America... all those bands back in the day but kind of kept that under my hat when I was at hardcore shows... then militant straight edge became the rage and that's when I sort of ducked out of the scene I was never into the preachy "dont hang out with so and so because he does drugs" mode... still good memories though... and I'm glad I was str8 edge in high school and most of college. considering the amount of slacking I do now and the shit I forget, I would have learned zilch in school like a lot of my peers. lol.
- lilbabyarm0
damn earlyman does rule. thanks
- blurden0
lions of tsavo rule too.
http://www.ovrcast.com/lionsofts…